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Pisten Bully 400: A rookie's review

BushMogulMaster

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I posted this over at slopegroomer.com, but I know some of you are interested in snowcats, so I thought I'd share it with you as well.


Spent tonight in the demo PB 400 at Sugarbush. Just wanted to share a few thoughts.

Overall, I like the machine a lot. This one was setup with sticks (not paddles like the older PBs, but sticks). The operation of the cat is pretty simple, nothing out of the ordinary. I like the new rocker switches, and the computer display. The climate control setup is good... infinitely adjustable fan speed keeps you comfortable all night!

The lighting system is fantastic. I could see well ahead of the machine, but most notably was the lighting in the rear of the cat. The pass behind me was lit up like daytime, for a respectable distance. A huge improvement over the older Edge and 300 models. Very very nice.

The joystick is nice, but I don't like the little red button! I always end up hitting that instead of the other top button for the blade wings. It doesn't help that I've spent quite a lot of time in a BR-350, which has the button for tiller articulation in the same spot. Not to mention that the blade function buttons are exactly opposite of those on the BR-350. However, I do like the placement of the switches for tiller up/down and up/down pressure. You don't have to take you hand off the joystick to make those adjustments anymore. This is good!

I'm not sure that I like the articulation functions on the right stick. It's too easy to bump the stick forward when you're trying to articulate or center the tiller. Can be frustrating at times. I think this needs to be redesigned. But the location of the track speed and tiller speed pots behind the sticks is pretty handy. And the tiller on button is also convenient there.

The Cummins powerplant is powerful and quiet, and I like new setup for setting RPMs. Rather than a hand throttle, you rev it up with the throttle pedal, and then hold a button to set the RPMs. Another nice feature is the auto ramp-down when you put the brake on.

The tiller seems essentially unchanged, at least as far as operation. Left a nice pattern most of the time, even in the less-than-ideal conditions in some spots (read:bulletproof). The depth of cut setup must have been changed quite a lot, because where we've usually been tilling at a depth of "2" on the depth meter, we had this cat set at "5" to cut the equivalent actual depth. Not sure about the reasoning for the discrepancy.

Again, overall I was very pleased with the cat. I would be more than happy operating it every night.

A bad quality picture (I'll get some good shots tomorrow or Monday night):

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BushMogulMaster

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what are you grooming dirt for? :???: ;)

Funny you mention that. A couple nights ago, the was some snow and dirt kicked up there right outside the shop, so I spent 10 minutes plowing. When I walked back in the shop, the first question from second shift was, "What are you grooming the parking lot for???"

Of course, I must point out that it is actually mulch, not dirt. Easier on the tracks, you know!
 

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Not that the bush needs it, but do they let you mess around with any seeding up there? Is it that difficult to do and why do you suppose it wasn't until the last decade or so that we saw this develop?
 

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Not that the bush needs it, but do they let you mess around with any seeding up there? Is it that difficult to do and why do you suppose it wasn't until the last decade or so that we saw this develop?

Because back then, people knew how to ski.

I digress.

It's not hard to do. You just push up a checkerboard pattern of quarter to half blades of snow, or so. Then it gets skied in. [actually, there is a lot more to it than that re:spacing and actual angle of attack, but it's still not that bad] But I have no desire to do it. I would much rather ski the natural lines. We have by far the highest concentration of quality natural lines anywhere. No need to ruin them by leaving cleat marks in the base!

As a side note, the bumps are skiing fantastic at Mt. Ellen as of this afternoon. Really really good... much better than I expected, and much better/softer than the groomers.
 

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Because back then, people knew how to ski.

I digress.

Expand on that


...and I do agree that Sugarbush has the highest concentration of great natural bumps in the east. My first winter back in New England (05) after three years in exile to the mid-Atlantic, I skied almost exclusively at North, $25 Wednesdays at that time. I definitely know why you dig North as much as you do.
 

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you'll get used to the joystick functions pretty easily.

we went from 275's to the 400 and its hard to look back... everything from power, plow functions, tiller, quietness... Its really nice. plus, you can hear Stern better in the Bully.

We have the wheel... it's really odd at first, and sometimes the delay makes you seem like you'll drive off into the woods or off a cliff... but when you get the timing down, its pretty comfortable. Every other aspect of the machine out weighs the negitives of the delay for me.

did you guys go with the forks option on the plow? endlessly useful. its rediculous.
 

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I'm still amazed at the HP they get out of what used to be considered a small block. (Of course, I'm getting close to that out of a 6.6L. Maybe sometime it'll sink in.)
 

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I'm still amazed at the HP they get out of what used to be considered a small block. (Of course, I'm getting close to that out of a 6.6L. Maybe sometime it'll sink in.)

I always get a kick when I see what the guys at Mount Snow have done to "accessorize" a couple of their cats. They have a PB600, a Park Bully, and a couple of BR350's where the guys have added BIG Ferrari decals to the front and rear windows :) Even after seeing the decals probably 50 times now, it still puts a grin on my face when I see them :)
 

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I always get a kick when I see what the guys at Mount Snow have done to "accessorize" a couple of their cats. They have a PB600, a Park Bully, and a couple of BR350's where the guys have added BIG Ferrari decals to the front and rear windows :) Even after seeing the decals probably 50 times now, it still puts a grin on my face when I see them :)

We're plotting to put a Pisten Bully sticker on the BR-350. Maybe it would run a little better. I think the main problem with it is that it's yellow. If it was red, it wouldn't break down as much.
 

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We're plotting to put a Pisten Bully sticker on the BR-350. Maybe it would run a little better. I think the main problem with it is that it's yellow. If it was red, it wouldn't break down as much.

+1 :) :lol:

Yellow is for taxi cabs and school buses, NOT groomers ;)
 
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