dmc
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People put shti out there... it's going to get judged...
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POV Sucks
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People put shti out there... it's going to get judged...
gmcunni
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TO YOU! why are you so bent on others doing things that make you happy. if they are having fun skiing/riding and making a video of their day that's all that matters. Its not like they are charging you to watch it.
I think you guys are both saying the same thing.
Actually, some of the most boring POV movies that I've seen are of the MTB variety. I think the key is short clips of something interesting and/or different mounting locations.
There's been a lot of POV movies I've seen of both skiing and MTB that I just couldn't sit through (I have a very short attention span). However I can watch my POV footage over and over again, because I was there and I'm bad ass!
gmcunni
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i've seen a camera on your helmet but i've never seen any evidence that it was turned on...
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Cannonball
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Let's flip this into a more positive discussion before it generates into unproductive, defensive back and forth.
RC has made a valid point and a constructive criticism (maybe could have been worded more constructively).
So let's throw down a challenge instead. Lot's of folks on here have POV cameras. You been given a fair opinion that unedited, lengthy videos can be boring. So let's all amp up our thinking about setting up shots, editing styles, keeping only the good stuff, good soundtracks, etc. Who's gonna come out with the next killer vid?
RC has made a valid point and a constructive criticism (maybe could have been worded more constructively).
So let's throw down a challenge instead. Lot's of folks on here have POV cameras. You been given a fair opinion that unedited, lengthy videos can be boring. So let's all amp up our thinking about setting up shots, editing styles, keeping only the good stuff, good soundtracks, etc. Who's gonna come out with the next killer vid?
pov can be used as "spice" in videos, a couple shots here & there, but an entire video is just boring. i can tolerate it if you have a skier/rider in the shot in front or have it mounted facing backwards and shoot a skier/rider from behind but i need to see action - someone skiing. also you don't get a real sense of the steepness of a trail.
having said that, here's an interesting mount posted by skianddiehappy on kzone. video is too long for me, but there's several interesting parts that could spice up a video:
don't know if he posted it here, but here's andy zee's wacky idea for an interesting mount:
having said that, here's an interesting mount posted by skianddiehappy on kzone. video is too long for me, but there's several interesting parts that could spice up a video:
don't know if he posted it here, but here's andy zee's wacky idea for an interesting mount:
from_the_NEK
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I have used my GoPro twice and I'm still getting the hang of it. Deadhead's suggestion of a wired remote would be awsome since I've missed out on some good footage due to button pushing errors and I can't tell what mode I'm in since the camera is on my head.
That said, I've found that the sheer volume of video footage that is recorded by POV cameras makes it that much harder to edit than short segment stationary video taken with a hand-held camera. For stationary video, the videographer typically sets up in a location they know is going to produce good footage. A long raw POV video may be 2-3 minutes with only 10-15 seconds of something worthwhile buried in it. Multiply that by 10 or 12 runs and that is a lot of video review to find quality footage. Then it takes a lot of cutting/splicing to produce a video that people want to watch.
So far I have posted two POV videos. One was a raw unedtied top-to-bottom run on Burke's Willoughby trail that was just over 2 minutes long. It was put out there as more of a currrent conditions statement more than anything.
My second video was quite a bit longer. And I admittedly did not spend as much time editing as I could have. The main point of putting out that video was to share a video review of the day with the person I was skiing with. If that video had been someone elses from some other mtn, I would have been rather bored watching it.
I'm looking forward to a really good powder day where I'm taking face shots. That should look good in POV :razz: Maybe that will happen if one of these stupid storms come north for once.
That said, I've found that the sheer volume of video footage that is recorded by POV cameras makes it that much harder to edit than short segment stationary video taken with a hand-held camera. For stationary video, the videographer typically sets up in a location they know is going to produce good footage. A long raw POV video may be 2-3 minutes with only 10-15 seconds of something worthwhile buried in it. Multiply that by 10 or 12 runs and that is a lot of video review to find quality footage. Then it takes a lot of cutting/splicing to produce a video that people want to watch.
So far I have posted two POV videos. One was a raw unedtied top-to-bottom run on Burke's Willoughby trail that was just over 2 minutes long. It was put out there as more of a currrent conditions statement more than anything.
My second video was quite a bit longer. And I admittedly did not spend as much time editing as I could have. The main point of putting out that video was to share a video review of the day with the person I was skiing with. If that video had been someone elses from some other mtn, I would have been rather bored watching it.
I'm looking forward to a really good powder day where I'm taking face shots. That should look good in POV :razz: Maybe that will happen if one of these stupid storms come north for once.
from_the_NEK
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The pole mount definitely provides an interesting view, but it should only be used in short bursts. That AndyZee polling action almost made me motion sick
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andyzee
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The pole mount definitely provides an interesting view, but it should only be used in short bursts. That AndyZee polling action almost made me motion sick
Next POV will be for Kzone's Humpty. Want to put a helmet cam down my pants, with a view of my butt as I'm skiing. Just need to work out the lighting.
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gmcunni
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for $100 - $500 you can buy a POV camera and strap it on anything, including my dog. it doesn't necessarily make for good video tho. Yes, the first time someone does something "different" than everyone else it will be cool, until the next guy comes along and does it better.
lets face it, the internet phenomenon that is YouTube was founded on the proliferation of video recording devices in the hands of amateurs who are just out to have some fun.
GOOD videos are an art form and require talent to do well. a mediocre day of skiing doesn't magically get better when put in a video, unless you have that special talent.
art it is subjective. I can't tell you what is good art but i know it when i see it.
have you seen my latest? knee cam!uke:
lets face it, the internet phenomenon that is YouTube was founded on the proliferation of video recording devices in the hands of amateurs who are just out to have some fun.
GOOD videos are an art form and require talent to do well. a mediocre day of skiing doesn't magically get better when put in a video, unless you have that special talent.
art it is subjective. I can't tell you what is good art but i know it when i see it.
have you seen my latest? knee cam!
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gmcunni
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just needs killer soundtrack!
gmcunni
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2 years ago just when POV started showing up but before it got really popular i came across a video shot at magic. I emailed the author and asked him about his camera. it was similar to the setup DHS described.
Basically he had a pen sized camera attached to his goggle strap and a cable running to the "body" of the unit in jacket pocket. i recall googling it to find out more and it was pretty much full feature on the main unit, including video display and playback.
for $100 - $500 you can buy a POV camera and strap it on anything, including my dog. it doesn't necessarily make for good video tho. Yes, the first time someone does something "different" than everyone else it will be cool, until the next guy comes along and does it better.
lets face it, the internet phenomenon that is YouTube was founded on the proliferation of video recording devices in the hands of amateurs who are just out to have some fun.
GOOD videos are an art form and require talent to do well. a mediocre day of skiing doesn't magically get better when put in a video, unless you have that special talent.
art it is subjective. I can't tell you what is good art but i know it when i see it.
have you seen my latest? knee cam!
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I've done enough ski videos to know that usually the only people interested in watching them are the ones in them. That's really the reason I used to do a lot of them.....sorta capture what usually is a great day with ski buds. If anyone else gets a kick out of them, that's cool too, I guess. It does take a lot of time to film and edit them though, and most of the places I go nowadays would be redundant...although everyone knows that the best ski vids are of seeded bumps at Sundown. :razz:
Listen for the beeps, that's the only way of having a clue as to what is going on.
This is exactly why I never put out a video the first time I used mine. I just had too much to go though and not enough time to do it.
from_the_NEK
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bobbutts
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sure vs. professionally produced video they are typically terribly boring and hard to watch
I usually watch a few seconds and turn it off. But even a few seconds often gives a bunch of information..
what was the snow like?
what was the lighting like?
is this a good skier?
how's the terrain at whatever mountain?
Video editing is an art, even with good footage and motivation results are not guaranteed.
Soundtracks pretty frequently stink. Not everybody enjoys your favorite band. I usually prefer natural sound unless the overall production is really well done.
I usually watch a few seconds and turn it off. But even a few seconds often gives a bunch of information..
what was the snow like?
what was the lighting like?
is this a good skier?
how's the terrain at whatever mountain?
Video editing is an art, even with good footage and motivation results are not guaranteed.
Soundtracks pretty frequently stink. Not everybody enjoys your favorite band. I usually prefer natural sound unless the overall production is really well done.
jaywbigred
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I like POV if it is done well. I don't like it if it isn't done well.
I like regular 3rd person videography if it is done well. I don't like it if it isn't done well.
It is really all about the people in the video and their skill. Terra Patrick or Maria Ozawa really make a video.
Wait, what are we talking about?
I like regular 3rd person videography if it is done well. I don't like it if it isn't done well.
It is really all about the people in the video and their skill. Terra Patrick or Maria Ozawa really make a video.
Wait, what are we talking about?
