SKIING/BOARDING: Cannon's Opening Day, December 3, 2005

[thetrailboss]

Yes, I was offended by the "two words: State Run" comment, so I decided not to participate in the conversation.

While I understand, I think it would have been better for the entire community, who wanted info, if you had spoken your POV and participated rather than remaining silent. JMHO. :-?

And as for "cushy benefits", that's a joke. The employees would probably be better off if Cannon was leased, however, most are against it for the reasons that were mentioned above. Real skiers don't wear full length mink coats, ya know what I mean?

Yes, buuuuttttt real ski areas do open when they can and when customers are interested. :wink:

Cannon did not want to open, only to have to close again, they wanted to be able to stay open. Yes, they do have to wait for the meter to be read, and yes, there was a compressor problem, and on Monday and Tuesday there was that 60 degree tropical rain that melted all the snow. Another area ski resort spent $180,000 on snowmaking, only to have the rain wash it all away. Who makes the decision of when to open? They don't make snow if it is over thirty degrees, so, ultimately, it is up to Mother Nature! It has nothing to do with getting money from the state, because Cannon is totally self-funded.

This is the kind of info we really need in here...we need to know what the situation is before we comment. :wink:

The simple solution, at a certain level, is to adopt what Jay does and that is to open ONLY ON WEEKENDS during early and late season and cut the losses. While you said 'all the snow disappeared,' Sunapee, further south, had MORE rain and warmer temps and today their snow was still there. :-? I'm a passholder who was counting on Cannon to open when they said they would...instead I drive 50+ miles south to another place?

The good news is, Cannon opened today at 9:20, and it is going to be very cold all week!

Yes, I agree :beer:

 

[riverc0il]

great post zowi420. i we could have gotten that info from cannon directly instead of having to rely on employees or folks close to operations in some way generously offering inside info regarding why decisions are being made. i fully understand and appreciate the fact that a mountain chooses not to open. the spin factor bothers me though.

 

[JimG.]

Yes, I was offended by the "two words: State Run" comment, so I decided not to participate in the conversation.

While I understand, I think it would have been better for the entire community, who wanted info, if you had spoken your POV and participated rather than remaining silent. JMHO. :-?

Yes, I agree with trailboss...we all lose out the way it played out.

I fully understand your feelings though; I don't like it when folks take shots at my home hill either.

 

[thetrailboss]

Yes, I was offended by the "two words: State Run" comment, so I decided not to participate in the conversation.

While I understand, I think it would have been better for the entire community, who wanted info, if you had spoken your POV and participated rather than remaining silent. JMHO. :-?

Yes, I agree with trailboss...we all lose out the way it played out.

I fully understand your feelings though; I don't like it when folks take shots at my home hill either.

If I remained silent every time someone challenged me or my thoughts, then we'd all lose out on the info that I learn from my contacts and can help others.

By remaining silent, a self-fulfilling prophecy was created in that hard feelings and more bad comments came out. The intervention of, "listen, x,y,z is happening up here," would have turned opinions and thoughts around. Fans would be more understanding and the discussion would have shifted. This is the power of information. In this case, there was deliberate silence and then a condemnation of opinions that others said. The kicker is that this was completely preventable. This post was made long in advance of the "state run comment" and was not responded to:

It looks like it's official, Cannon will not be opening until Friday, December 2nd.

Where did you get that information? Their website still indicates that they're shooting for the 25th??

I don't think blaming critics is appropriate when info was not provided when asked. Ignorance is not bliss.

Our strength here in AZ is that we are open and that local people provide information as to what is really happen. This is not a place of 'resort bashers' nor industry suck-ups, just pure skiers and riders who want real info. No spin, no rumors, just the real deal.

We're a friendly bunch in here and we're interested in our mountains. Sometimes we can be too passionate, but we're loyal. In similar situations, I hope that others speak up to at least a moderator via PM rather than creating a worse situation for everyone by remaining silent.

 

[salida]

Sometimes we can be too passionate, but we're loyal.

TB I totally agree with this, and I think it is sometimes where the precieved animosity comes from. However, it is really just the passion of the skiers and riders on this board, mistaken as hard feelings.

-Porter

 

[JimG.]

Sometimes we can be too passionate, but we're loyal.

TB I totally agree with this, and I think it is sometimes where the precieved animosity comes from. However, it is really just the passion of the skiers and riders on this board, mistaken as hard feelings.

-Porter

Yup, that passion can play out as antagonism sometimes too, but it isn't meant that way.

Makes one realize how important non-verbal ques like facial expression and body language are. You really miss that in the "written only" environment.

 

[zowi420]

It looks like it's official, Cannon will not be opening until Friday, December 2nd.

Where did you get that information? Their website still indicates that they're shooting for the 25th??

I don't think blaming critics is appropriate when info was not provided when asked. Ignorance is not bliss.

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As indicated previously, I am low-tech and did not have an opportunity to answer that in a timely manner. Sorry! I also did not want to jeapordize my cushy job, ha ha ha, and now I've angered the Moderators! Blissful, that's me; see, I don't even know how to answer multiple quotes, so please forgive me for doing it this way........

 

[zowi420]

great post zowi420.

THANKS STEVE!

 

[zowi420]

Yup, that passion can play out as antagonism sometimes too, but it isn't meant that way.

Makes one realize how important non-verbal ques like facial expression and body language are. You really miss that in the "written only" environment.

I've no hard feelings and hope no one else does either. We should all get together sometime.

 

[salida]

I concur, I might be up there on Sunday, remains to be seen... See what kind of flakes fly I guess.

-Porter

 

[bvibert]

It looks like it's official, Cannon will not be opening until Friday, December 2nd.

Where did you get that information? Their website still indicates that they're shooting for the 25th??

I don't think blaming critics is appropriate when info was not provided when asked. Ignorance is not bliss.

I wasn't blaming anyone for anything, I was simply curious as to where you had gotten that info. You certainly didn't anger this moderator...

 

[JimG.]

I've no hard feelings and hope no one else does either. We should all get together sometime.

None here...still planning on a Cannon trip sometime in Feb/Mar.