Skiing on the Cheap - 2012-13 Edition

[mlkrgr]

Got 6 days for about $90 this year and I still have a spare voucher I can redeem.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

Sweet!

 

[BenedictGomez]

So far this season: 9 days on skis, total lift expenditure $183
(ok, that includes reselling tix at 3pm for $20 on 3 days)

Seriously?

 

[ScottySkis]

So far this season: 9 days on skis, total lift expenditure $183
(ok, that includes reselling tix at 3pm for $20 on 3 days)

Can you please teach me how to that?

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

$100 Camelback Triple Ticket for 3 days - $60 for selling used tickets to late day skiers for $ 20 each = 3 days for $40
Opening day at Camelback special = $10
Sno Mountain Tuesday special = $10
WMMR Day at Jack Frost = $9.33
Windham Ski Club membership including one lift ticket for $25 (+$1 to join Princeton Ski Club)
Hunter Big lift card including one lift ticket for $47
Blue Mountain half weekday ticket with PA Skiing $5 discount = $40

That's 9 Days for $182.33 so far.

I'll see how many more days I can get in this year. Probably somewhere between 2 and 5. These will bring up my average cost unless I find some killer late season deals, but I do still have discounts available to be with my discount cards at Hunter and Windham, and Belleayre offers $30 tix on Easter Sunday.

 

[BenedictGomez]

$100 Camelback Triple Ticket for 3 days - $60 for selling used tickets to late day skiers for $ 20 each = 3 days for $40

Actually, what it = is stealing.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

No, breaking a rule isn't the same thing as stealing. This would be more accurately described as sharing in a manner that a resort doesn't want you to do.

 

[ScottySkis]

No, breaking a rule isn't the same thing as stealing. This would be more accurately described as sharing in a manner that a resort doesn't want you to do.

It is done at all the hills, all the time.
When my dad ex GF was working for Mountain Creek 10+ year's ago she use to call her boss and find out the color of the lift ticket for the day and take out a ticket from her kitchen draw for that day. Now I will amit that is stealing.

 

[Abominable]

So you've decided to steal cable. Myth: Cable piracy is wrong. Fact: Cable companies are big faceless corporations, which makes it okay.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

More like I decided to order a PPV on cable and had some friends come watch it with me and pay part of the cost.

Or I offered to let someone into my house for $5 to watch whatever they want on my cable system, and use that $5 to help pay my monthly cable bill

 

[ScottySkis]

More like I decided to charge someone without cable a fee to come over and watch whatever they want for a few hours, as a way to help me pay my cable bill.

When I move in a few weeks, me and my room mates are getting dish, were tired of expenses from cable company.

 

[St. Bear]

So you've decided to steal cable. Myth: Cable piracy is wrong. Fact: Cable companies are big faceless corporations, which makes it okay.

Well done, sir. Well done, indeed.

 

[Abominable]

I wasn't passing judgement on you at all - just a Simpson's quote that I thought was funny and appropriate. I've done my fair share of "skiing on the cheap and morally ambiguous."

 

[steamboat1]

The Vermont Statutes Online

Title 13: Crimes and Criminal Procedure

Chapter 57: LARCENY AND EMBEZZLEMENT

13 V.S.A. § 2582. Theft of services

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§ 2582. Theft of services
(a) A person who purposely obtains services which he or she knows are available only for compensation, by deception or threat, or by false token or other means to avoid payment for the service shall if the services exceed $900.00 in value be imprisoned for not more than 10 years or fined not more than $5,000.00, or both. Otherwise, a person who violates a provision of this subsection shall be imprisoned for not more than one year or fined not more than $1,000.00, or both. Where compensation for service is ordinarily paid immediately upon the rendering of such service, as in the case of hotels, restaurants, and transportation, refusal to pay or absconding without payment or offer to pay gives rise to a rebuttable presumption that the service was obtained by deception as to intention to pay.
(b) A person who, having control over the disposition of services of others, to which he or she is not entitled, knowingly diverts such services to the person's own benefit or to the benefit of another not entitled thereto shall if the services exceed $900.00 in value be imprisoned for not more than 10 years or fined not more than $5,000.00, or both. Otherwise a person who violates a provision of this subsection shall be imprisoned for not more than one year or fined not more than $1,000.00, or both. (Added 1967, No. 202, § 2, eff. April 17, 1967; amended 1973, No. 199 (Adj. Sess.), § 2; 2005, No. 156 (Adj. Sess.), § 6.)

 

[BenedictGomez]

No, breaking a rule isn't the same thing as stealing. This would be more accurately described as sharing in a manner that a resort doesn't want you to do.

Actually you are stealing, and it can be fully punishable by law as such depending on where you ski.

Once a ski ticket has been used for skiing by someone, it becomes "non transferable" and not able to legally be resold.

NEW YORK - This ticket is non-transfereable in accordance with the theft of services law

PENNSYLVANIA - This ticket in non-transferable

VERMONT - Non-transferable, illegal to resell.

I dont have any New Hampshire or Maine tickets laying around, but my guess is it's illegal to resell an already used ski ticket in those states too.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

I didn't say it was legal. I just said it's just not stealing, which is taking something (other than a gift) without paying for it.

I have also been known to speed on the way to or from skiing.

I must have stumbled into the moralizing without limit discussion instead of the skiing on the cheap discussion.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I didn't say it was legal. I just said it's just not stealing, which is taking something without paying for it.

Taking something without paying for it is exactly what you're doing, and exactly why it's legally defined as "theft", which is a synonym for stealing.

I must have stumbled into the moralizing without limit discussion instead of the skiing on the cheap discussion.

I was hoping it would be the "educating someone about a slimy practice discussion", but no such luck.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

Theft of services is neither a synonym for theft nor for stealing, either legally or in English, which is why it is has its own entry in the VT code.

I was aware that it is against ski area rules, and that such rules are backed up by law in some jurisdictions, but thank you for the education.

NEW YORK - This ticket is non-transfereable in accordance with the theft of services law

PENNSYLVANIA - This ticket in non-transferable

VERMONT - Non-transferable, illegal to resell.

Based on your above post it does not seem to even be illegal in Pennsylvania, where this occurred, though perhaps it is and your lift ticket simply did not say that. If so, that underlines the point that it is not stealing.

Apologies to all for the descent into a debate about language and law, when I imagine folks here are more interested in ways to ski cheaply.

 

[conwayeast]

and now back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[BenedictGomez]

Based on your above post it does not seem to even be illegal in Pennsylvania, where this occurred, though perhaps it is and your lift ticket simply did not say that. If so, that underlines the point that it is not stealing.

Open a legal dictionary and look up the word "non-transferable" (SPOILER ALERT: Yes, it's stealing in PA too).