steamboat1
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Everyone is entitled to there opinion, right DHS?
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Smugglers Notch lift opinions
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Flatbread Company had licensed the branch for many years. According to their own website, American Flatbread was purchased by Flatbread Company in 2013.
I too prefer New Haven apizza. I spent five years in New Haven for grad school and the apizza is just about the only part of the city that I miss.
SkiFanE
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Love Flatbread. There's one a mile and half away. I like thin crust pizza - and their carne of the day is usually my choice. I like their mission of local sustainability and all that earthy-crunchy stuff too. Kids love it too - so always the go to place when we need to please everyone. Husband likes their beer selection.
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Read the whole paragraph on the section you're talking about. The Waitsfield location is still independently owned by the original American Flatbread Company: "Waitsfield Vermont‐based American Flatbread Company will continue to own and operate their restaurant at Lareau Farm." :razz:
BenedictGomez
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It's low-grade dog food.
I would do that first before addressing any change at Madonna. Though my legs couldn't handle numerous high speed laps of the BB.
machski
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There is one advantage to a Triple over a Quad. While not a huge increase, typically fixed grip lifts can be run slightly faster as you decrease seats on a chair. So a FGT with a carpet would give you a slightly faster ride than a quad. Triples still get installed, Taos put one to the summit to limit capacity.
My thoughts on the triple was not necessarily to increase capacity much at all, but to make sure that the capacity is used. For whatever reason singles lines don't seem to work with double chairs. Probably because most doubles don't have them, so singles end up getting in the regular lines. This results in people not pairing up and you get chairs with an empty seat heading up.
I'd have no problem with a HSQ on Sterling. It lacks the wind issues and has the trail capacity to handle it. Madonna just doesn't. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't spent enough time up top on a busy weekend. The limited trails already get beat to crap in a hurry even with just the double.
I'd have no problem with a HSQ on Sterling. It lacks the wind issues and has the trail capacity to handle it. Madonna just doesn't. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't spent enough time up top on a busy weekend. The limited trails already get beat to crap in a hurry even with just the double.
Tin
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A HSQ on Madonna would be like running K1 (filling every other one) with only Great Northern and Bear Trax-Launch Pad open and not having anything open (No Ridge or Canyon area) until Mousetrap and Skyelark...a complete nightmare.
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I would rather see Wildcat make snow TTB on Gondiline , I think that would make the mountain a lot more skiable. they will never cut another trail on the upper half, to many restrictions.
DoublePlanker
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The lifts suck at Smuggler's. Froze my ass off waiting in line and the long slow ride. But the terrain is awesome. So I guess rather see the terrain stay as is.
The Wildcat HSQ is one of the best lifts in New England. Fast with huge vertical access to everything. I love that lift.
The Wildcat HSQ is one of the best lifts in New England. Fast with huge vertical access to everything. I love that lift.
Newpylong
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Yes there certainly is no need to cut additional terrain at Wildcat when they have two runs off the summit (Lift Lion and Upper Wildcat) that have or had snowmaking capacity not currently used.
Good points. If they added the same equipment to those trails that Lynx got, it would make a world of difference. Maybe in 20 years :lol:
ss20
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Wildcat: HSQ is one of the top rated lifts in New England, it's always mentioned on this site as being excellent (I agree). There are four trails off of the summit, two with snowmaking (that's being generous, I know).
Smuggler's Notch: M1 is a jewel and should never be touched because adding speed and capacity would ruin the skiing. Three trails from the summit, one with snowmaking.
So one snowmaking trail and one extra natural trail at Wildcat warrant three times the capacity of M1 (800pph vs 2400pph).
By the logic of "The Defenders of Maddonna", now is the time to buy Chinese stocks and you should also lock-in your oil rate before prices double.
Smuggler's Notch: M1 is a jewel and should never be touched because adding speed and capacity would ruin the skiing. Three trails from the summit, one with snowmaking.
So one snowmaking trail and one extra natural trail at Wildcat warrant three times the capacity of M1 (800pph vs 2400pph).
By the logic of "The Defenders of Maddonna", now is the time to buy Chinese stocks and you should also lock-in your oil rate before prices double.
That's not really accurate.
Wildcat actually has more like 6 trails off the top to Madonna's 4. Lynx and Catapult veer off of Polecat and Wildcat respectively within 100 - 200 yards while those trails are traverses. So, it's more like Polecat, Lynx, Top Cat, Lift Lion, Catapult and Wildcat. 3 of those trails have snowmaking; Polecat, Lynx and Catapult. Those trails are wider than the two snowmaking trails off M1 in Chilcoot and Drifter. The 3 natural trails at Wildcat are open considerably more often than the 2 natural trails off of M1 and they also hold snow better. Liftline and Upper Free Fall get picked clean in a hurry because of how steep and rocky they are.
Anyone who skis Wildcat frequently will tell you that the top can get skied off pretty quickly. Yes, the lift is awesome, but it certainly puts a lot of traffic on the trails and things can get skied off in a hurry. That changed for the better last year with new guns, but as Brad and Newly point out, adding snowmaking to Lift Lion and Wildcat would help tremendously.
Madonna would be an absolute nightmare with 2400 pph heading up there. Way worse than Wildcat.
This argument could easily be settled with Comfortable Carrying Capacity data. Whenever you see master plans of ski areas, this information is typically included in discussions about increasing lift capacity or widening trails. While it might not be a 3 to 1 margin, I bet the difference is significant between Wildcat and Madonna. That's why I suggested a Fixed Grip triple tops figuring about 1200pph.
Wildcat actually has more like 6 trails off the top to Madonna's 4. Lynx and Catapult veer off of Polecat and Wildcat respectively within 100 - 200 yards while those trails are traverses. So, it's more like Polecat, Lynx, Top Cat, Lift Lion, Catapult and Wildcat. 3 of those trails have snowmaking; Polecat, Lynx and Catapult. Those trails are wider than the two snowmaking trails off M1 in Chilcoot and Drifter. The 3 natural trails at Wildcat are open considerably more often than the 2 natural trails off of M1 and they also hold snow better. Liftline and Upper Free Fall get picked clean in a hurry because of how steep and rocky they are.
Anyone who skis Wildcat frequently will tell you that the top can get skied off pretty quickly. Yes, the lift is awesome, but it certainly puts a lot of traffic on the trails and things can get skied off in a hurry. That changed for the better last year with new guns, but as Brad and Newly point out, adding snowmaking to Lift Lion and Wildcat would help tremendously.
Madonna would be an absolute nightmare with 2400 pph heading up there. Way worse than Wildcat.
This argument could easily be settled with Comfortable Carrying Capacity data. Whenever you see master plans of ski areas, this information is typically included in discussions about increasing lift capacity or widening trails. While it might not be a 3 to 1 margin, I bet the difference is significant between Wildcat and Madonna. That's why I suggested a Fixed Grip triple tops figuring about 1200pph.
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Newpylong
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Based on what I heard last year they might need to do some work on the pipes on Lift Lion and Upper Wildcat before they can be charged. Wildcat is like Magic whereas almost the entire mountain had snowmaking at one point but the system was neglected.
I hope some of these deficiencies are on their radar there is so much good terrain off the top if those 2 could be open more often.
I hope some of these deficiencies are on their radar there is so much good terrain off the top if those 2 could be open more often.
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Pepe's is an entire level far and above every other pizzeria, whether in Brooklyn or elsewhere. Their new location in Yonkers is only about 15 mins from me and it is one of our favorite dinners now.
machski
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You do realize you can get a High Speed lift and go with less chairs than standard. Both Loon and Ragged have done this in the past (Loon with North Peak express and Ragged with the 6). Granted, both have added chairs to the full capacity since, but I heard somewhere out west added a HSQ this summer with only 1200 or 1400 SPH carry capacity. So it can be done, and a bit of a cost savings too.
