Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke

[fbrissette]

Like I said, it depends on the person. I spent two stints of six months on Cape Cod during tourism season and I got off the Island every chance I could get and couldn't wait for the season to be done. For the past ten years I've lived within 15-30 minutes of some incredibly scenic beaches in Maine and NH, but I might visit them on average 5 times a summer. The water is brutally cold (and much worse up in Bar Harbor) and the crowds are just not worth dealing with. I do however drive considerably further pretty much every weekend to visit less crowded lakes and rivers. Economics being equal, I'd live in the NEK over Bar Harbor without question.

A more interesting question is NEK vs Burlington. I cannot think of a single reason why one would pick the former over the latter, unless you might think it might be easier to con someone in the NEK. And even then, it did not take long for Tony Pomerleau to smell BS.

Correct. Burlington I could see pulling off a biotech startup. Wouldn't be simple, but I could see it.

The problem, however, is that Vermont has politically become shockingly extremist in the last decade or so, and if an entity even so much as thinks about making a profit, Vermont will "punish" that "greed" to death with regulatory burdens and taxation. A start-up in Vermont is a very poor choice, which is why they aint exactly flocking to Vermont.

Good point. I was not taking taxation and regulations into account. Otherwise, Burlington has lots to offer to attract an educated workforce.

 

[deadheadskier]

re: Burlington vs NEK

As mentioned earlier, someone would need to have a strong personal affinity to the area. That's likely why Bar Harbor was selected for Jackson Lab over Portland. Portland obviously makes more sense. Burlington obviously makes more sense.

 

[Jcb890]

I love New England too, but lets be honest, NEK isn't a destination for most people.

DHS, you're not the average person. None of us really are, we're a small group of people who have rather different ideas of what we like and what we value. Generally speaking, a graduate from college with a high-tech degree isn't looking to move to the middle of nowhere Vermont or New Hampshire. They want to live in Boston, NYC, or somewhere that's interesting... maybe somewhere by the ocean.

Also, that being said... I'm open to moving out of New England myself and probably wouldn't be interested in taking a job in the middle of nowhere Vermont. Many of the areas really aren't that nice either to be honest, many of them are pretty run-down and dumpy.

Again, I don't mean to bad-mouth anyone or rustle any feathers, just trying to look at it objectively.

 

[Smellytele]

I love New England too, but lets be honest, NEK isn't a destination for most people.

DHS, you're not the average person. None of us really are, we're a small group of people who have rather different ideas of what we like and what we value. Generally speaking, a graduate from college with a high-tech degree isn't looking to move to the middle of nowhere Vermont or New Hampshire. They want to live in Boston, NYC, or somewhere that's interesting... maybe somewhere by the ocean.

Also, that being said... I'm open to moving out of New England myself and probably wouldn't be interested in taking a job in the middle of nowhere Vermont. Many of the areas really aren't that nice either to be honest, many of them are pretty run-down and dumpy.

Again, I don't mean to bad-mouth anyone or rustle any feathers, just trying to look at it objectively.

Southern NH has a lot of high-tech people. Also a great deal of "high-tech" people work from home. Not bio but regular high-tech folks. so they could live anywhere.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Southern NH has a lot of high-tech people.

Arent a lot of them people who "fled" Massachusetts? I seem to recall a discussion on here in the last year or so about southern NH being overrun by the (former) denizens of Mass.

 

[thetrailboss]

Arent a lot of them people who "fled" Massachusetts? I seem to recall a discussion on here in the last year or so about southern NH being overrun by the (former) denizens of Mass.

Yes.

 

[jack97]

Generally speaking, a graduate from college with a high-tech degree isn't looking to move to the middle of nowhere Vermont or New Hampshire. They want to live in Boston, NYC, or somewhere that's interesting... maybe somewhere by the ocean.

+1

All the recent hires I know live near Boston and will commute close to an hour to work in the metro west / suburbia areas.

Heck.... my daughter wants to live in NYC when she gets her degree.

 

[Smellytele]

+1

All the recent hires I know live near Boston and will commute close to an hour to work in the metro west / suburbia areas.

Heck.... my daughter wants to live in NYC when she gets her degree.

My son in college wants nothing to do with living in any city.

 

[cdskier]

My son in college wants nothing to do with living in any city.

I never had any interest in living in any city either when I graduated college. I also have no interest in working in the city (and I live 8 miles outside of NYC but would most likely never consider a job there).

 

[Jcb890]

My son in college wants nothing to do with living in any city.

I have no interest in living in any city either. However, I also don't really have interest in living in the middle of nowhere Vermont or New Hampshire either.

 

[Hawk]

Everybody is certainly different. I hate the city but have commuted to the downtown Boston area every working day for the last 25 years. But I flee to my suburban life and Vermont every moment I can. The job is a means to an end and that end is my Fun. If I could find a good paying job in VT I would move to the MRV in a second. I have friends that have done that and I envy them. But lets face it, the grand majority of the graduating Millennials are going to want that apartment or condo in the city where the culture, clubs and restaurants are hip and the latest and greatest. It will take years of droning in the city to wear them down to the realization that city life sucks and then they will think about moving.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I never had any interest in living in any city either when I graduated college. I also have no interest in working in the city (and I live 8 miles outside of NYC but would most likely never consider a job there).

Every time I took a train out to NJ to visit my girlfriend or other friends, my egregious Manhattan rent seemed a bit less egregious. I have no idea how thousands of people commute into Manhattan from NJ, NY, CT each day, but god bless them. To me, it's genuinely horrible. Just miserable. Sure, I would be paid a good bit more if I took another job in the city, but after taxes, that number is not as impressive as it sounds, nor is the headache and decrease in lifestyle for me. When I was younger, living in Manhattan was AMAZING, but then I reached a point where I desperately wanted to get back to the country where I am now. The city is still just an hour away if I want to visit, yet I can walk out my backdoor with a shotgun and go hunting. That to me, is good balance.

 

[dlague]

Arent a lot of them people who "fled" Massachusetts? I seem to recall a discussion on here in the last year or so about southern NH being overrun by the (former) denizens of Mass.

Southern NH (Manchester and South) is Massachusetts! They vote like MA and most work there too!

My son in college wants nothing to do with living in any city.

Of our 4 boys only one has hopped on the city lifestyle band wagon. the others want more of the outdoors life. Then again that is how we raised them.

I have no interest in living in any city either. However, I also don't really have interest in living in the middle of nowhere Vermont or New Hampshire either.

There are different types of city living. NYC or Boston would not be my gig, however:

Prior to moving I lived in Concord which was a good job center with easy access to mountains, sea coast and Boston. That was about as far north as i would go. Concord was a ski town of sorts surrounded by Gunstock, Pats and Ragged as well as Crotched not to far and a great hub for most everything in VT, NH and Western ME. Our kids grew up in ski programs out of their schools - during school hours.

Then there are cities like Colorado Springs with a population of close to half million but it is so spread out and it does not have that downtown city feel but everything you want in a city is here but on a smaller scale yet hiking. fishing, climbing, MTB, SUP etc are 15-30 minutes away and it is 1:30 ish hours to LL and AB.

 

[deadheadskier]

Every time I took a train out to NJ to visit my girlfriend or other friends, my egregious Manhattan rent seemed a bit less egregious. I have no idea how thousands of people commute into Manhattan from NJ, NY, CT each day, but god bless them. To me, it's genuinely horrible. Just miserable. Sure, I would be paid a good bit more if I took another job in the city, but after taxes, that number is not as impressive as it sounds, nor is the headache and decrease in lifestyle for me. When I was younger, living in Manhattan was AMAZING, but then I reached a point where I desperately wanted to get back to the country where I am now. The city is still just an hour away if I want to visit, yet I can walk out my backdoor with a shotgun and go hunting. That to me, is good balance.

Same rationale for why I live in Southern NH instead of Boston. Well that and being near my wife's family. I never have lived in a big city nor have I had the desire to. I did however very much enjoy living in downtown Portland, Maine. That I could go back to. It has most of the cultural benefits of a big city without all of the headaches. In fact, for the most part my wife and I will go to Portland over Boston to do the "city thing" even though we live the exact same distance from each. I'll only entertain the idea of going into Boston for an overnight on a Saturday. We've done Friday night sporting events and concerts in the past and it's just too much of a hassle fighting through the traffic to get there. Saturdays aren't bad though.

 

[Domeskier]

Cities are generally expensive, crowded and filthy, but the benefits are not all just hipster nonsense. It's nice not having to own or drive a car everywhere or maintain a lawn or shovel snow. It's also nice if you value privacy and would prefer not to get to know all your dreary neighbors. The advantages probably increase as you get older and less mobile, with easy access to decent healthcare being chief among them.

 

[VTKilarney]

I can tell you from first hand experience that it is insanely difficult to recruit talent to come to the NEK of Vermont. If a recruit is married, the odds of their spouse finding comparable work in the NEK are slim to none. And if they aren't with a partner, most don't see the dating pool here as the best.

 

[Jully]

There are different types of city living. NYC or Boston would not be my gig, however:

Prior to moving I lived in Concord which was a good job center with easy access to mountains, sea coast and Boston. That was about as far north as i would go. Concord was a ski town of sorts surrounded by Gunstock, Pats and Ragged as well as Crotched not to far and a great hub for most everything in VT, NH and Western ME. Our kids grew up in ski programs out of their schools - during school hours.

Then there are cities like Colorado Springs with a population of close to half million but it is so spread out and it does not have that downtown city feel but everything you want in a city is here but on a smaller scale yet hiking. fishing, climbing, MTB, SUP etc are 15-30 minutes away and it is 1:30 ish hours to LL and AB.

Cities are generally expensive, crowded and filthy, but the benefits are not all just hipster nonsense. It's nice not having to own or drive a car everywhere or maintain a lawn or shovel snow. It's also nice if you value privacy and would prefer not to get to know all your dreary neighbors. The advantages probably increase as you get older and less mobile, with easy access to decent healthcare being chief among them.

I moved to Boston this year from Cumberland County ME. I hated cities my whole life and had no desire to live in one. I specifically chose the least city part of Boston but have grown to not hate it and instead tolerate it. The 'benefits' of cities that Dome is talking about I notice and agree with. I absolutely love not having to drive to a restaurant or even to the grocery store. Turns out I like walking and dislike cars more than I previously thought.

All that said though, Boston is not where I want to be long term. Like dlague said, I think I want to end up in a place like Burlington VT, Concord, Manchester, or Portland. Living in Cumberland County ME I spent a lot of time in Portland and LOVE it. Issue is its further from skiing than I'd like, same with Manchester.

I would rather live for 20 years in the NEK than 20 years in Boston or NYC though.

 

[BenedictGomez]

most don't see the dating pool here as the best.

Depends on your type; for instance, if your type is overweight and with fewer than 32 teeth, it's awesome.

 

[cdskier]

Depends on your type; for instance, if your type is overweight and with fewer than 32 teeth, it's awesome.

Strange that it attributed what you quoted to me when it was from VTK's post.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Strange that it attributed what you quoted to me when it was from VTK's post.

Really weird. I went to see if I could edit it and it did work.