Stratton Mt Ski Theft

[mister moose]

I just don't think that security ski rack cameras will be the end all. be all. Below is the base area cam image from Mount Snow from a few minutes ago

There's 6 racks in that photo. To make it proof "beyond any reasonable doubt" you'd need to have some pretty good resolution cameras focused on each side of each rack from multiple angles to ensure that you can indeed get an image that would legally hold up (if you then are even able to catch the a$$hole that took the gear in the 1st place!!). Not that it CAN'T be done, but not quite sure what the perceived return on the investment would be, given the typical number of ski racks that your average ski area has

You're thinking about identifying only from the camera footage. The value there is to back up an eyewitness, which would take it to the level of burden of proof; video + witness = conviction.

 

[〽❄❅]

I don't know. Having a $10 ski lock stolen is pretty funny :lol:

next time he will take the key with him:wink:

 

[gmcunni]

when i split my skis, i will pair 1 up with a buddy i'm skiing with and then use my cable lock

 

[bigbog]

If a ski area offers equipment checks (for free!) then isn't that enough?

I use a cable lock because it's the easiest deterrent. If I was really worried about determined thieves then I'd use the equipment check. If I was worried that a cable lock would not be sufficient and no equipment check was available, I'd avoid going to that ski area. Problem solved.

SundayRiver's Ski Check ($2 or $3...?) at SouthRidge is the thing....well worth it. I too like the bicycle lock(~5/8" cable)...does a pretty good job. Complain about $2-3 after what one has shelled out for either a Pass or Ticket....:???:

 

[drjeff]

You're thinking about identifying only from the camera footage. The value there is to back up an eyewitness, which would take it to the level of burden of proof; video + witness = conviction.

You're then presuming that there will always be an eye witness who notices say that average build guy in a blue ski coat wearing a ski hat carrying 2 pairs of skis and a gear bag in the base area on any given day

 

[Smellytele]

when i split my skis, i will pair 1 up with a buddy i'm skiing with and then use my cable lock

looks pretty bulky to carry around

 

[Black Phantom]

 

[SIKSKIER]

looks pretty bulky to carry around

I would assume he leaves that setup on the rack whick does limit where you leave them.I really liked the lock system from Ski Key http://www.skikey.com/ .I dont see that many racks any more but I still have my lock.I bought it at Cannon many moons ago and just happened to have it in my pocket on a trip to Whistler.At the Peak Lodge I noticed the same aluminum racks that fit my lock.No cables to cut or chain to saw.I'm sure a crowbar could bend it enough to steal them but would you really think one would bring one to the racks?The lock is very small (1x11/2x2).I really liked everything about this system.There is quite a list of resorts that carry these racks but I'm sure finding that rack is not always an option.
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[marcski]

We need snow bad!!!!

 

[mister moose]

You're then presuming that there will always be an eye witness who notices say that average build guy in a blue ski coat wearing a ski hat carrying 2 pairs of skis and a gear bag in the base area on any given day

No.

If the camera is there its value is to back up the eye witness, not to give facial recognition without a witness. Of course there will not always be an eyewitness. Something better than nothing dept.


I'm presuming a pre meditated ski thief taking a vanful or trunkful will be smart enough not to walk off with more than 1 pair at a time.

 

[drjeff]

No.

If the camera is there its value is to back up the eye witness, not to give facial recognition without a witness. Of course there will not always be an eyewitness. Something better than nothing dept.


I'm presuming a pre meditated ski thief taking a vanful or trunkful will be smart enough not to walk off with more than 1 pair at a time.

You never know?? I mean would someone in a ski coat and maybe a baseball cap, carrying a ski bag and 2 pair of skis on their shoulders look that much more suspicious to people in the area then if they had just 1 pair on their shoulder?? Heck, I know that PLENTY of times I'm headed out to my car at the end of a day on the slopes with both my pair and my wife's pair of skis on my shoulder, or some days if I bring 2 pairs to the mountain myself, I've got 2 pairs of my own skis on my shoulders.

All i'm saying is that it doesn't take much effort for an a$$hole ski/board thief to easily blend in with legitimate folks leaving a base area at the end of the day. For all we know, many of us could have very well witnessed one of these a$$holes in action at some point over our ski/boarding careers and never even known it You up at K probably have 2 of the "best" places to observe how easy it would be for a thief to blend in, Just spend a few minutes this weekend (or almost any weekend for that matter) either on the hillside of KBL or in the walkway between the 2 halfs of the lodge at Snowshed sometime between 3 and say 4:15/30 and just see how many folks walk out of the lodge, look around at the racks for a moment to see which one they left their gear on, and then walk over, grab that unlocked gear, shoulder it and walk away. I've done the same thing at Mount Snow while waiting to pick my kids up at the end of the day from their programs and it's almost down right scary how easy it would be for someone to take some gear

 

[riverc0il]

This is a timely topic considering what happened yesterday. Just finished changing and packing up at Mad River Glen. Came out of the Basebox and went to grab my skis and noticed my BD Traverse poles were gone. Son of a B!

Traverse poles aren't cheap but I wouldn't believe a MRG'er would walk of with a pair of poles. I noticed another pair of poles were right next to my skis without an associated pair of skis to go with them. I quickly scanned the base area for my poles in someone's hand. Recently, one of my straps came loose so I knew to look for that. Sure enough, I saw someone with a pair of BD Traverse poles that looked beat up like my with one of the two straps loose.

Turns out the person who walked off with them rented their gear. In my mind, I couldn't even fathom someone confusing a pair of traverse poles with flick locks with a junk pair of rental poles. But I wasn't thinking like a beginner that rents different gear every time they ski. I approached the women and asked her if she was sure she had the right poles. Sure enough, she had no idea but told me she got them next to a pair of skis she identified that were mine.

We did the switch and she was pretty embarrassed about it. I'm just glad I came out exactly when I did and not a few minutes later. Traverse poles go for $70 so that would be an expensive mistake. Though with a quick stop by the rental shop to identify the issue, I probably would have gotten them back.

Just wanted to throw this experience out there. While thefts certainly occur, a lot of gear probably gets moved and taken by accident. Poles seem especially susceptible since they are not matched to bindings. I know some folks hang their pole straps by the tips of their skis which on hind sight of this incident probably helps these types of accidents.

 

[Hawkshot99]

Just wanted to throw this experience out there. While thefts certainly occur, a lot of gear probably gets moved and taken by accident. Poles seem especially susceptible since they are not matched to bindings. I know some folks hang their pole straps by the tips of their skis which on hind sight of this incident probably helps these types of accidents.

This happens alot. I run a demo center on mtn. so the people are really familar with the graphics of the skis they have, since they just picked them up, and keep swapping the skis out during the day. Yesterday I had a guy who demoed a Atomic Smoke, in the morning, and a Atomic Smoke TI in the afternoon. One is red graphics on a black ski, the other is orange on black.

When he came back at the end of the day to return the Smoke TI he was complaing to me ho something was wrong with the bindings and he was coming out super easy. What had happened was he went in for a break with the Smoke TI and when he came out he took some other persons pair of regular Smoke's off the rack. The bindings were close enough that he could step into them but was popping out when he tried to ski.

I told him those were not the skis I had rented to him(didn't have my demo tags on it) and he went out and found the real demo sitting on the racks. We went to guest services were the other guy had reported his skis stolen already. Guest services called the other man and he came and got his skis back.

 

[〽❄❅]

^i wanna shake my head back and fourth and say unbelievable but it's so believable i can just picture it happening!

Anyhow, reading all of this, i'm thinking i'll order one of those ski rack key/insert things.

Sign of the Times, eh:blink:

I once left a expensive pair of ski poles on the ski rack by the train station at Klosters Switzerland, didn't realize it 'till back at Davos which isn't exactly a short train ride. Was to late in the day to get back up on the mountain to ski to Klosters so i caught the next train back. My ski poles were right there all by their lonesome selves on the rack where i had left them:beer: We couldn't help but say what are the odds of that outcome if it happened here:flag:

 

[abc]

^Sign of the Times, eh:blink:

I once left a expensive pair of ski poles on the ski rack by the train station at Klosters Switzerland, didn't realize it 'till back at Davos which isn't exactly a short train ride. Was to late in the day to get back up on the mountain to ski to Klosters so i caught the next train back. My ski poles were right there all by their lonesome selves on the rack where i had left them:beer: We couldn't help but say what are the odds of that outcome if it happened here:flag:

Different time now. I left a set of back country poles (adjustable length) on a bus at St. Moritz. Realized my mistake 1/2 hr later. Contact the bus company right away. No luck. Some bastard took them home!

Some country, even the same region. "Sign of the time", I gues.

 

[billski]

Anyhow, reading all of this, i'm thinking i'll order one of those ski rack key/insert things.

I have one of those and carry it. The only place I've ever used it was wawa. The racks are not at use in most places I go. I pull out the little cable lock.

I suspect because ski equp in general is so expensive, and little Bobby didn't get what he wanted, off we go. The exception of course are those pros, like the ones at Stowe who attempted to drive away with ten sets of skis in their trunk. Justice prevailed for once and they took a limo ride in a car with flashing lights.

 

[Geoff]

seriously, what form of degenerate steals a lock?

I've picked them quite a few times and put the lock in my pocket as a joke on friends who insist on locking their skis. Those 4 or 5 digit cylinder locks take about 30 seconds to open. You just start from the bottom with tension on the cable. You can feel the cable move when you've dialed in the correct number.

Split your skis. Nobody is going to steal one ski.

 

[legalskier]

The suspect blamed for stuff at Stratton ( mentioned above), was vindicated completely - they had the wrong guy altogether. -- Talk about a lawsuit and a half. He does not even own a Mercedes and resides in NYC. Shows you can't believe everything that's printed in a newspaper or online.

Something doesn’t add up here. The article in The Reformer has a lot of specific information about (redacted) , including that he was identified by a witness: “The victim observed (redacted) in possession of an open ski bag containing the same model that was stolen and later identified them as his own” (http://www.reformer.com/ci_19613099). Also, the police obtained a warrant to search his car. Warrants are issued by a judge or magistrate only after a review of the evidence presented by the police, so that’s another layer of review which insures against mistakes like the one you are suggesting took place here against “the wrong guy.”
The only explanation would be that the perp they caught was pretending to be (redacted). But that raises the question of why he would do that when the real (redacted) has a criminal history for similar offenses, according to the article. Seems like an odd choice by the perp, no?
Also, the perp was arraigned before a judge who set a $25000 bail- another layer of review insuring against mistaken identities. And certainly by that time the police would have uncovered the vehicle registration documents in the Benz and seen whether they match up with the perp’s i.d. Which raises another question- how could the perp impersonate (redacted) and have his car too?
The legal process usually is slow, cautious and deliberate, so it also doesn’t add up that (redacted) was “vindicated completely” in such a short time. A mere 8 calendar days passed between his arrest and your post, which was a holiday week.

Your post makes no sense to me- can you provide any more specific info with a link to back up your claims?

 

[bigbog]

Certainly speaks for the backcountry, adjustable poles...able to be shortened as to allow passage inside a lodge.. Either that or if there's some skilock, even just locking onto one ski...or the major cable, which locks the poles.

 

[legalskier]

*** He pleaded not guilty and is due back in court in Brattleboro on April 5, a court clerk said. ***
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