Suicide Six's name

[VTKilarney]

Thinking about this a little more... I see that the Redskins have appealed the decision of the PTO based on both First and Fifth Amendment claims.

I predict that they will win. If they do, this will have backfired on the people complaining against the name. This could be their "a bridge too far" moment in that they probably could have gotten the name changed if they kept up pressure through other means. By pushing politics through the PTO, they could wind up with VERY bad precedent for their cause.

 

[skiNEwhere]

Fighting Irish is a good example. I'd imagine if the team name was something else, and they wanted to change it to the Fighting Irish, there would be an uproar.

What about the Celtics? An Irish leprechaun with shamrocks. Extreme stereotyping. Not to mention a pipe in his mouth. The list goes on and on.


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[skiNEwhere]

Since we've already gone off on a PC tangent I figured I'd post this. I found this in my grandmothers house a while back and thought it was pretty funny.

Guessing it was printed in the 70's?

 

[Domeskier]

Since we've already gone off on a PC tangent I figured I'd post this. I found this in my grandmothers house a whole back and thought it was pretty funny.

Guessing it was printed in the 70's?

At first I thought you were referencing the name of the game. Then I scrolled down all the way!!

 

[BenedictGomez]

Fighting Irish is a good example.

Fighting Sioux = Racist. Millions of dollars spent on a campaign by left-wing groups. Protests. Pressure. Boycotts - and a name change. :uzi:

Fighting Irish = Play ball!

No blatant hypocrisy there.

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

Since we've already gone off on a PC tangent I figured I'd post this. I found this in my grandmothers house a while back and thought it was pretty funny.

Guessing it was printed in the 70's?

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I don't see anything wrong with that picture. So the mom & daughter are washing dishes after dinner while the dad and son play games. Maybe tomorrow night dad will cook dinner and junior will clean up afterward while mom & daughter play xbox.

 

[MadMadWorld]

Fighting Sioux = Racist. Millions of dollars spent on a campaign by left-wing groups. Protests. Pressure. Boycotts - and a name change. :uzi:

Fighting Irish = Play ball!

No blatant hypocrisy there.

True but I think 99% of Irish folks either don't care about the name or wear it like a badge of honor.

 

[skiNEwhere]

I don't see anything wrong with that picture. So the mom & daughter are washing dishes after dinner while the dad and son play games. Maybe tomorrow night dad will cook dinner and junior will clean up afterward while mom & daughter play xbox.

I don't see anything wrong with it either. You wouldn't see an image like that printed on a board game now though.

Feminists would complain that the woman is being unfairly stereotyped as the "homemaker" and therefore is less equal


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[bobbutts]

Regardless of semantics, you are going to not only defend this, but wish that you could go back in time. You are welcome to act like your in the Klan.. Just man up and admit that you are racists, pussies.

From the 1490s when Christopher Columbus landed in the Americas to the end of the 19th century, the indigenous population of the Western Hemisphere declined, mostly from disease, to 1.8 million from around 50 million, a decline of 96%.[SUP][36][/SUP] In Brazil alone, the indigenous population declined from a pre-Columbian high of an estimated 3 million to some 300,000 (1997).[SUP][37][/SUP][SUP][38][/SUP] Estimates of how many people were living in the Americas when Columbus arrived have varied tremendously; 20th century scholarly estimates ranged from 8.4 million to 112.5 million.[SUP][39][/SUP] However, Robert Royal stated, "estimates of pre-Columbian population figures have become heavily politicized with scholars who are particularly critical of Europe and/or Western civilization often favoring wildly higher figures."[SUP][40][/SUP]
Epidemic disease was the overwhelming direct cause of the population decline of the American natives.[SUP][41][/SUP][SUP][42][/SUP] After first contacts with Europeans and Africans, the death of 90 to 95 percent of the native population of the New World was caused by Old World diseases such as smallpox and measles.[SUP][43][/SUP] Some estimates indicate that smallpox had a 80–90% fatality rate in Native American populations.[SUP][44][/SUP]
British commander Jeffery Amherst may have authorized the intentional use of disease as a biological weapon against indigenous populations in the Americas.[SUP][45][/SUP][SUP][46][/SUP] It was the only documented case of germ warfare and it is uncertain whether it successfully infected the target population.[SUP][47][/SUP]
Some historians argue that genocide, as a crime of intent, does not describe the colonization experience. Stafford Poole, a research historian, wrote: "There are other terms to describe what happened in the Western Hemisphere, but genocide is not one of them. It is a good propaganda term in an age where slogans and shouting have replaced reflection and learning, but to use it in this context is to cheapen both the word itself and the appalling experiences of the Jews and Armenians, to mention but two of the major victims of this century."[SUP][48][/SUP]
By contrast, David Stannard argued that the destruction of the American aboriginals, in a "string of genocide campaigns", killing "countless tens of millions", was the most massive genocide in world history.[SUP][49][/SUP] Several works on the subject were released around the year 1992 to coincide with the 500th anniversary of Columbus' voyage. Noble David Cook rejected such claims, writing "There were too few Spaniards to have killed the millions who were reported to have died in the first century after Old and New World contact."[SUP][50][/SUP]
In 2003, Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez urged Latin Americans to not celebrate the Columbus Day holiday. Chavez blamed Columbus for leading to the alleged genocide.[SUP][51][/SUP]
David Quammen likened colonial American practices toward Native Americans to those of Australia toward its aboriginal populations, calling both genocide.[SUP][52][/SUP]

 

[skiNEwhere]

So yea, suicide six. Somewhat questionable name


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[MadMadWorld]

So yea, suicide six. Somewhat questionable name


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So from what I read Suicide Six = KKK

 

[Edd]

I'm just pondering that a typical Klan guy doesn't have many opportunities to make a snowklansman.

You know, the south.

 

[BenedictGomez]

True but I think 99% of Irish folks either don't care about the name or wear it like a badge of honor.

Yes, but so too, did the vast majority of relevant Native American groups not have a problem with these various names.

So who does?

Typically white liberals, who are the ones creating the furor and protesting in an overtly showy, self-aggrandizing, and public manner.

Regardless of semantics, you are going to not only defend this, but wish that you could go back in time. You are welcome to act like your in the Klan.. Just man up and admit that you are racists, pussies.

Holy Hades!

I was prepared to argue the facts given Colonial America history is one of my favorite subjects, but the above response demonstrates you're likely not entirely stable, or at the very least, a bit of a wing-nut (fairly polite version).

I will note, however, that I found great amusement in the fact that the very copy & paste job you laid down not only harms your argument, but again demonstrates that you likely don't even know what the word "genocide" means.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I'm just pondering that a typical Klan guy doesn't have many opportunities to make a snowklansman.

You know, the south.

Are you suggesting that southerners are disproportionately likely to be racist?

That's SO offensive! Everyone reading that is offended. YOU'RE A BIGOT!!!

 

[VTKilarney]

The Burlington Free Press had a follow-up article on the Sneaker's Cafe bacon sign incident. This quote from the article is about as well-reasoned and mature as I could have imagined:

Islam Hassan is the imam, or religious leader, of the Islamic Society of Vermont, based in Colchester. He drives around the Winooski rotary every day, and he said he found nothing offensive about the Sneakers bacon sign.

"It doesn't tell you to go inside and eat," he said.

"The life of a Muslim living in the West, we go to restaurants that serve pork," Hassan continued. "We're very careful not to have any pork on our plates." How, he wondered, could that sign "be offensive to us?"

Taking offense with the Sneakers bacon sign is equivalent to being offended by signs that say "bar," Hassan said, as Islam prohibits drinking alcohol.

The woman who started the conversation on Front Porch Forum, the online newsletter, does not represent the local Muslim community, Hassan said.

"Islam forbids eating the flesh of pork," Hassan said. "But it never said to insult or offend the people who are consuming it."

 

[BenedictGomez]

The Burlington Free Press had a follow-up article on the Sneaker's Cafe bacon sign incident. This quote from the article is about as well-reasoned and mature as I could have imagined:

You call it "well-reasoned and mature", I call it common sense.

The mayor of Winooski disagrees though.

The mayor of the town, Winooski, Vt., commended the diner for taking down the sign. “The cool part of living in a diverse community is that it’s not always comfortable”

Forget the ridiculousness of the issue at hand, and just try to wrap your noodle around the idiocy of that statement.

 

[deadheadskier]

Somebody needs to organize a bacon festival in front of city hall.

Being sensitive to other cultures is not about restricting your behavior / cultures (within the confines of law) as to not offend others. It's about accepting that other people are different from you. You do what you do. I do what I do.

I bet Winooski must have a big ole "holiday tree" in December.

 

[dlague]

You call it "well-reasoned and mature", I call it common sense.

The mayor of Winooski disagrees though.



Forget the ridiculousness of the issue at hand, and just try to wrap your noodle around the idiocy of that statement.

Not really sure Vermont is that diverse!

 

[Edd]

Are you suggesting that southerners are disproportionately likely to be racist?

That's SO offensive! Everyone reading that is offended. YOU'RE A BIGOT!!!

I take this in jest. My thought was that more Klansman are probably from the south.

Making that little snowklansman probably made them forget about all the racism. Just for a little while.

 

[VTKilarney]

I'm not getting into the geographical distribution issue, but most people don't realize that Vermont and the Klan have a history: http://www.vermonter.com/vtpress/ku-klux-klan-in-vermont/#sthash.8HDbekbb.dpbs