Sundown Bump or Bust III - 3/22/09

[MRGisevil]

Everytime i am at an event somewhere i notice the flag. At the recent killington snowboarder event there were american flags everywhere.
I think the only thing missing from the sundown bump or bust comp. was the american flag.
:smash:

Did you call Presidential nominees un-American for not wearing a flag lapel, as well? I don't see what a mogul competetion has to do with patriotism.

 

[powhunter]

I pledge allegiance to Chris Sullivan.........

 

[Greg]

I pledge allegiance to Chris Sullivan.........

...and all those bumps on Gunbarrel... :flag:

:lol:

 

[Madroch]

Did you call Presidential nominees un-American for not wearing a flag lapel, as well? I don't see what a mogul competetion has to do with patriotism.

Everything... grooming is a socialist plot designed to redistribute available terrain equally without regard to skill, effort and american sticktuitiveness.. grooming is the classic forced redistribution of wealth. Mogul skiing embodies the capitalist spirit of providing good things to those willing and able to earn it.

 

[powhunter]

Oh say can you see...

 

[Greg]

Everything... grooming is a socialist plot designed to redistribute available terrain equally without regard to skill, effort and american sticktuitiveness.. grooming is the classic forced redistribution of wealth. Mogul skiing embodies the capitalist spirit of providing good things to those willing and able to earn it.

:lol: Good stuff.

Maybe they should paint the bumps red, white and blue. Or at least tint the lights so they look that way at night. :lol:

 

[severine]

There were the red and blue courses, and the snow is white. Isn't that enough?

 

[SkiDork]

Oh say can you see...

 

[Madroch]

Did we give up when the germans groomed Temptor....

No, we skied gunny at great peril from frozen cantelopes of death into the great american mogul run it is today.

When the going gets tough the tough...

 

[Greg]

Cool article with Bump or Bust mention

No offense, but what is your background in course maintenance? The wall bumps and big lines are part of the game bro.

Sundown has limited terrain, people who show up to ski should be able to. Mike, i know what you are looking for but this isnt World Cup action, its Ski Sundown.

I understand what Mondeo is saying. to take my counterpoints a bit further regarding the lines and quirkiness i say this.

The course basically was on the flattest section of gunny. If we had perfectly uniform lines top to bottom, there would have been practically no challenge. The funkiness of the left line and the deepness of the right at least kept us somewhat honest. otherwise, every dual would have been a balls to the wall chinese downhill.....

Here's a really cool article that was just submitted to me that touches on this exactly:

http://news.alpinezone.com/52491/

 

[thorski]

Did you call Presidential nominees un-American for not wearing a flag lapel, as well? I don't see what a mogul competetion has to do with patriotism.

The prez was wearing a flag lapel last night.
madroch is right on.
severine= no thats not enough.
Is that a pic of you and your buddies ski dork?

 

[mondeo]

Here's a really cool article that was just submitted to me that touches on this exactly:

http://news.alpinezone.com/52491/

One of the things that might be interesting is, next time they turn Gunny or a similar expansion run into a bump run, experiment with a 50/50 mix of seeded and natural bumps. I know a lot of people say that natural bump runs won't form at Sundown, but I'm not sure how you can say that unless you try.

Part of my view on the subject is that Gunbarrel is, in essence, a seeded bump run. There were a couple forced line shifts in the left line and a few wall bumps in the right, but nothing like a natural bump run, where you're constantly figuring out your line. It's just sorta weird having funkiness thrown in to an otherwise sculpted course.

 

[Greg]

One of the things that might be interesting is, next time they turn Gunny or a similar expansion run into a bump run, experiment with a 50/50 mix of seeded and natural bumps. I know a lot of people say that natural bump runs won't form at Sundown, but I'm not sure how you can say that unless you try.

They tried last season on Gunbarrel by not grooming skier's right for a few weeks. The result was small crappy sweeping push piles. Now that might have been because the bumpers all stuck to Temptor. As the mogul scene evolves and more bump-minded skiers ski at Sundown, maybe better natural lines would form, but I still think with all the terminal intermediates and snowboarders, it's an uphill battle to get good bumps forming. The spring season at Sundown is pretty short - 3 weeks at best. I don't think giving up half that time to get bumps to form is worth it. I say seed on!

Part of my view on the subject is that Gunbarrel is, in essence, a seeded bump run. There were a couple forced line shifts in the left line and a few wall bumps in the right, but nothing like a natural bump run, where you're constantly figuring out your line. It's just sorta weird having funkiness thrown in to an otherwise sculpted course.

Gunny definitely was more evenly seeded than any other seeding efforts in the past. The two lines in the comp set up with some zipper areas and some waivers, but overall I still think Gunny skis like a natural bump run at this point. Some long moneylines, but mostly short stretches of zippers with line corrections required. I don't see WC style lines all over here:

 

[2knees]

One of the things that might be interesting is, next time they turn Gunny or a similar expansion run into a bump run, experiment with a 50/50 mix of seeded and natural bumps. I know a lot of people say that natural bump runs won't form at Sundown, but I'm not sure how you can say that unless you try.

Part of my view on the subject is that Gunbarrel is, in essence, a seeded bump run. There were a couple forced line shifts in the left line and a few wall bumps in the right, but nothing like a natural bump run, where you're constantly figuring out your line. It's just sorta weird having funkiness thrown in to an otherwise sculpted course.

from my experience, bumps will not form at sundown unless it snows a foot and they leave stinger or temptor alone. and even then, they would be snowboard pushpiles. they tried this a few times before seeding nor'easter. i drove out there once cause they put it up on their website that temptor had been left alone after a storm and moguls were on it.

You could count on 2 hands, the number of "bumps" on the trail. about 8. and 20 feet apart with glare ice in between. seed it or nothing. simple as that.

and i just dont get what your trying to say about gunny. it was seeded. and it setup as such after the lines were skied in. the ones that saw less attention kinda fell apart. what exactly do you want???? WTF DO YOU WANT! :wink: expansion bro, thats want we all want.

 

[mondeo]

what exactly do you want???? WTF DO YOU WANT! .

Perfection, obviously. Either prefectly sized, random natural bumps or perfectly seeded bumps.

I'm just putting ideas out there. I don't have the experience with the natural bumps attempts at Sundown that you guys have, my impression was that they just haven't tried since they started doing moguls. I stand corrected. I think it's fair to say the number and skill level of bump skiers at Sundown has grown a bit over the last few years, so it might be a little bit different story now. But then again, that would mean you guys would have to take runs off from skiing the seeded stuff. We all know how that works out.

 

[2knees]

Perfection, obviously. Either prefectly sized, random natural bumps or perfectly seeded bumps.

I'm just putting ideas out there. I don't have the experience with the natural bumps attempts at Sundown that you guys have, my impression was that they just haven't tried since they started doing moguls. I stand corrected. I think it's fair to say the number and skill level of bump skiers at Sundown has grown a bit over the last few years, so it might be a little bit different story now. But then again, that would mean you guys would have to take runs off from skiing the seeded stuff. We all know how that works out.

i'm just busting balls, its what i do. if we could get days like the past two sundays where we have a shitload of good bumpers and soft snow, we'd get natty lines to drool over. midwinter, with the hardpack and just us hacks, i think it would be tough to see anything build up. Even with all the good feelings generated from sunday, i dont think there will be a huge influx of skiers coming down to ski temptor. next spring, on gunny, may be a totally different story however.

 

[Greg]

I think it's fair to say the number and skill level of bump skiers at Sundown has grown a bit over the last few years, so it might be a little bit different story now. But then again, that would mean you guys would have to take runs off from skiing the seeded stuff. We all know how that works out.

I think the biggest issue is Mike is that the base takes some time to soften deep enough in order for bumps to form quickly. Even this year with the seeded bumps, it took a while to get into a consistent softening cycle where you pretty much knew they would be soft in the afternoon. Again, that's a pretty short window. If it takes a week for multiple top to bottom lines to set up, there's just not much time left to enjoy them. I think the approach this year was good. Seed in late winter and when it gets warm it only takes a few days to ski them in.

We actually lucked out amazingly well this year with that dump at the beginning of the month and then the warm but dry few weeks that followed. It could be very different in future seasons. Glad the weather yielded great results. It would have sucked if their first effort to do top to bottom bumps didn't work out so nicely.

 

[powhunter]

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Awesome pic Tim!!

 

[downhill04]

So how many more weeks will these bumps be availible? I would like to hit them at least one time this year. I'm such a little wimp for not sucking it up and getting out there. I still can't seem to find that sewwing kit to fix the rip in my skirt.

 

[Greg]

So how many more weeks will these bumps be availible? I would like to hit them at least one time this year. I'm such a little wimp for not sucking it up and getting out there. I still can't seem to find that sewwing kit to fix the rip in my skirt.

Come out Friday man. Should be uber soft and forgiving for a pansy like you. They want to make April 4-5, but don't skip this weekend assuming they'll pull it off.