Vote for Utah ski bus

[kingslug]

The gondi sure would beat being on a bus or car and get hit by an avalanche..which does happen.

 

[x10003q]

Just have a fleet of helicopters on standby in case an evac is needed.

 

[FBGM]

Late to the shit show here boys. Damn. Forgot about this one.

Doesn’t matter what people think or vote or want. It’s who’s pockets get padded or funded.

Real world tho…after approvals funding and bullshit law suits then construction, This is still like 3+ Years out or more.

 

[kingslug]

At least...

 

[BenedictGomez]

You can now check out what riding the gondola would be like via a new video experience: https://gondolaworks.com/

Whoa-ho-ho..... someone spared no expense on production of that baby. They've come loaded for bear.

 

[BenedictGomez]

We did arches, canyonlands, fiery furnace, ATV rock scramble.I think this time of year is less crowded due to heat.

Only time I've been is August, 100+ degree temps, which I think kept people away, but it's so dry, and maybe from going to college in Florida, but it didnt bother me at all. Just carry a lot of water. We did Fisher's Tower on Saturday so we didnt have to be in a park on a crowded day. F.T. was my favorite thing, it's just any amazingly expansive area & we had it basically to ourselves. We might have seen 10 other hikers the entire day, my sense is it's not on tourist's radar.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Real world tho…after approvals funding and bullshit law suits then construction, This is still like 3+ Years out or more.

You're probably right, because it seems impossible to get anything done these days without facing lawsuits from well-funded eco-extremists. Frankly, I'd take the OVER if the line's set at 3 years.

 

[thetrailboss]

Whoa-ho-ho..... someone spared no expense on production of that baby. They've come loaded for bear.

The developer who stands to make $$$ is behind that “group” and its website.

 

[mbedle]

The developer who stands to make $$$ is behind that “group” and its website.

Who? Alta and Snowbird?

 

[thetrailboss]

Who? Alta and Snowbird?

Nope.

Chris McCandless

Home | CW Management Corporation

Our company offers professional management services and quality rentals throughout West Jordan, UT, and the surrounding areas.

www.cwmcorp.com

Listen to the podcast here when he admits that he bought a key piece of property that is needed for this project. https://www.skiutah.com/blog/authors/tom-kelly/chris-mccandless-little

I highly doubt that he is going to donate the land to the State for this project.

Chris McCandless: |00:10:33 What happened with me was as they were looking at alternative solutions to the transportation problem, buses, trains, or a gondola. My first inclination early on was the train. As a city councilman, I wanted a train to go from Sandy to Alta. I thought that would be a great way to solve the problem. But as I worked in the train and the buses are actually great options, anything's better than nothing. We have to do something. And so but as I looked at the gondola option and studied that, I was standing on the road at Highway 210 or in Little Cottonwood, and I saw this great big for sale sign, the second or third of last year. And the property that is just west of that road, north of Little Cottonwood Canyon, had been listed for sale by a local real estate agent. And I knew the owners. And that's one of those things where it just kind of comes together. The owners were old ski patrolmen from Park City, and we had a lot of fun together. So I actually called the owners and said. 'What do you guys think? I'd like to put this under contract. I've got some ideas.' At the same time, my business partner on a lot of different projects because I'm a real estate guy, had purchased Le Caille and had amassed about 24, 25 acres, and it had its own challenges. And for a couple of years, he's been asking us to come in and help him with that. And as a city councilman, I refused because I felt like there would be a conflict of interest. And January 2nd, Kevin calls me up and says, How about now you're no longer an elected official. I'm honored you and Wayne come over here and help me with this project. And that's the day I stopped and called Suzanne and said and Kevin, this is an opportunity to solve the problems in the king. And because if we don't have this property. I don't believe the canyon's problems will go away, we'll just kick the can down the road because they wanted to put the gondola, for example, at the mouth of the canyon instead of outside of the canyon. Challenge with that is you've got to have a whole bunch of buses dropping people off. There's no place to drop them off. So now I visualized because I've been in construction and real estate for a long time, a freeway interchange there so the buses could turn around and head back out. Buses turn and left is a bad idea. And I visualized the size of the gondola itself at the mouth of the king and disrupting that incredible view of that glaciated aspect of the canyon.

 

[mbedle]

Nope.

Chris McCandless

Home | CW Management Corporation

Our company offers professional management services and quality rentals throughout West Jordan, UT, and the surrounding areas.

www.cwmcorp.com

Listen to the podcast here when he admits that he bought a key piece of property that is needed for this project. https://www.skiutah.com/blog/authors/tom-kelly/chris-mccandless-little

I highly doubt that he is going to donate the land to the State for this project.

Good for him. I'm sure he is going to make out pretty good if it ever gets built.

 

[thetrailboss]

Good for him. I'm sure he is going to make out pretty good if it ever gets built.

And that bothers me for some reason. I just feel it is a conflict of interest because he put himself into the position to profit off this. And the effort to promote the gondola seems to help his business. The original plan was to have the gondola start at the mouth of the Canyon and then all of the sudden he pushed them to change the location to his property. Maybe I am just cynical about it. At the very least it is opportunistic.

 

[Smellytele]

Maybe his property will be taken by eminent domain and he only gets the “fair market price”

 

[machski]

Maybe his property will be taken by eminent domain and he only gets the “fair market price”

Possibly. He also took a risk if you think he did this from a profit perspective. If they shift away from a Gondi and from using his property, all he has left is a nice piece into the mouth of the canyon. Sounds like free market economy at work to me, he bought having zero guarantee this pans out for him.

 

[p_levert]

Actually I trust the Utah folks to not be crazy corrupt. If the McCandless property make the most sense, nothing wrong with choosing that option. If McCandless makes a tidy profit, I am OK with that. This is a great project, I want to see it happen.

 

[raisingarizona]

And that bothers me for some reason. I just feel it is a conflict of interest because he put himself into the position to profit off this. And the effort to promote the gondola seems to help his business. The original plan was to have the gondola start at the mouth of the Canyon and then all of the sudden he pushed them to change the location to his property. Maybe I am just cynical about it. At the very least it is opportunistic.

That’s kind of how these things work.

 

[BenedictGomez]

That’s kind of how these things work.

And he apparently has real estate contacts, local contacts, and government contacts - he's in the catbird seat.

 

[urungus]

Actually I trust the Utah folks to not be crazy corrupt.

Um, “Utah folks” ran the most corrupt Winter Olympics in history. Quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

“Ten members of the IOC were expelled and another ten were sanctioned. This was the first expulsion or sanction for corruption in the more than a century the IOC had existed”

and from https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1499&context=sportslaw

“The scandal that surrounds the IOC's choice of Salt Lake City to host the XIX Winter Olympic Games is what some consider the biggest ethics scandal in the history of the Olympic Movement.”

 

[machski]

Um, “Utah folks” ran the most corrupt Winter Olympics in history. Quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

“Ten members of the IOC were expelled and another ten were sanctioned. This was the first expulsion or sanction for corruption in the more than a century the IOC had existed”

and from https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1499&context=sportslaw

“The scandal that surrounds the IOC's choice of Salt Lake City to host the XIX Winter Olympic Games is what some consider the biggest ethics scandal in the history of the Olympic Movement.”

I do hope you also understand the IOC was very tepid with even considering Utah due to the Mormon influence and the alcohol laws back then. European visitors would not have taken kindly to those almost prohibition laws so a lot of convincing was needed. But yes, a lot of crap happened, the SLC games nearly fell apart before they happened due to all of that.

 

[p_levert]

Um, “Utah folks” ran the most corrupt Winter Olympics in history. Quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

“Ten members of the IOC were expelled and another ten were sanctioned. This was the first expulsion or sanction for corruption in the more than a century the IOC had existed”

and from https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1499&context=sportslaw

“The scandal that surrounds the IOC's choice of Salt Lake City to host the XIX Winter Olympic Games is what some consider the biggest ethics scandal in the history of the Olympic Movement.”

Hey, thank you for that. Yes, there is corruption in Utah. Gondola vs Olympics, there's lots of differences, but I agree we can't simply assume that Utah is clean.