Vote for Utah ski bus

[thetrailboss]

How do you know the reduced Season Pass sales are to make room for Ikon?

That's what the press release clearly implies. They took on IKON and have reduced their season pass sales by 10%. Why else would you cut your largest book of business by 10%?

 

[thetrailboss]

As to housing: https://www.ksl.com/article/5024250...-idaho-cities-rank-as-nations-most-overvalued

 

[thetrailboss]

UDOT received 13,000 comments

Record-breaking number of public comments could delay Little Cottonwood traffic plans

The Utah Department of Transportation received a staggering 13,000 submissions during the public comment period for the Environmental Impact Statement regarding traffic in Little Cottonwood Canyon.

www.deseret.com

 

[BenedictGomez]

As to housing: https://www.ksl.com/article/5024250...-idaho-cities-rank-as-nations-most-overvalued

Yeah, this is getting frightening. People buying a home today are almost assuredly going to be underwater when this bizarre cycle flips.

It's one thing if you have an overvalued home to sell to buy another similarly overvalued home, those people arent going to get hurt badly, it's the first-time homeowners & young people buying homes that are going to get hurt, and possibly absolutely destroyed.

 

[BenedictGomez]

UDOT received 13,000 comments

And of course the politicians want the option with "tolling" - because that's the option which puts significant money in their pockets to spend. Neither the bus, nor the gondy would significantly do that in any measure like a toll would.

 

[thetrailboss]

And of course the politicians want the option with "tolling" - because that's the option which puts significant money in their pockets to spend. Neither the bus, nor the gondy would significantly do that in any measure like a toll would.

I think that tolling was to go along side either option.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I think that tolling was to go along side either option.

With the gondy and bus options too? If that's the case I missed it.

 

[ScottySkis]

Awesome news for great mtn Snow Basin
We are thrilled to share significant enhancements and upgrades coming to the resort and guest experience.

These started with the construction of new lifts and a parking expansion for the upcoming season; and ultimately will feature the introduction of overnight accommodations with a hotel and base area village.

https://www.snowbasin.com/future?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=development

 

[BenedictGomez]

Holy crap, a hotel at Snowbasin, they've only needed that since forever.

 

[asnowmobiler]

As to housing: https://www.ksl.com/article/5024250...-idaho-cities-rank-as-nations-most-overvalued

1. Boise, where homes are selling at an 80.6% premium.
2. Austin, Texas, at a 50.7% premium.
3. Ogden, at a 49.7% premium.
4. Provo, at a 46.2% premium.
5. Detroit, Michigan, at a 45.6% premium.
6. Spokane, Washington, at a 45.2% premium.
7. Salt Lake City, at a 42.4% premium.
8. Phoenix, Arizona, at a 42.3% premium.
9. Las Vegas, Nevada, at a 41.9% premium.
10. Stockton, California, at a 38.5% premium.

Detroit??? I thought is was mostly a shit hole of a city that's so bad, that they kept changing the city limits, to exclude the burned out homes and business areas.

 

[BenedictGomez]

1. Boise, where homes are selling at an 80.6% premium.
2. Austin, Texas, at a 50.7% premium.
3. Ogden, at a 49.7% premium.
4. Provo, at a 46.2% premium.
5. Detroit, Michigan, at a 45.6% premium.
6. Spokane, Washington, at a 45.2% premium.
7. Salt Lake City, at a 42.4% premium.
8. Phoenix, Arizona, at a 42.3% premium.
9. Las Vegas, Nevada, at a 41.9% premium.
10. Stockton, California, at a 38.5% premium.

Detroit??? I thought is was mostly a shit hole of a city that's so bad, that they kept changing the city limits, to exclude the burned out homes and business areas.

Yes, but it's all relative. You could charge $1.99 for a burger and it still be overvalued if it's 1 oz & tastes like crap.

The Boise premium above is frightening frankly, and when you add Ogden to Provo and SLC you realize that basically 90% of real estate in Utah is way overvalued.

 

[thetrailboss]

The latest: https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...onents-declare-victory-after-mayoral-election

 

[jimk]

The latest: https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...onents-declare-victory-after-mayoral-election

I haven't been in Utah since late May, but even back then there were Vote for Monica Z signs all over the streets of Sandy, many months ahead of the election. They pictured her with that same red cowboy hat she's wearing in that news report you linked. She had good grassroots support.

It's a tough issue. As a non-resident who skis there a lot I'd love to see them build the gondola up LCC to lessen some of the car and bus traffic. I also agree with the Snowbird official that it would be valuable as a blizzard-proof transport mode up/down the canyon. But I recognize that many locals, even skiers, don't want the gondola. They fear the environmental disruption to LCC. But won't more buses and cars do the same? They oppose the huge price tag for something that's only really needed maybe 20 days per year. The anti-gondi guy in the news report said only 7% of the population would get any benefit from it, but what about attracting all the peripheral biz from millions of ski tourists coming to the state?

I guess you could argue - just slap a toll on everyone driving up LCC, maybe make it dynamic, so it costs the most on busy powder days. That will throttle crowds, or force people to ride the buses (probably overloading them), or carpool, or redirect and increase crowds at other nearby ski areas?? We have dynamic toll roads on the busiest highways around Washington DC and personally I hate them. They end up being private highways for rich/elite people who don't mind paying an extra $10 every rush hour to bypass five miles of slow traffic clogged by the unwashed masses. At least HOV lanes got people to carpool. Dynamic toll roads mostly serve single occupancy vehicles willing to pay for exclusive roadways, sort of anti-democracy.

 

[raisingarizona]

Isn’t increasing prices or adding tolls make accessing public lands more exclusive? Not so public I guess…..

I wonder how the paid parking will affect the dawn patrol and back country skiing community.

At this point I’m completely uninterested in skiing there, it’s such a zoo!

The Nevada back country is calling me…..
The north face of 12,000 foot Mount Moriah in the North Snake Range.

 

[Kingslug20]

Its a shame...one of the best ski areas in the country..and all this. Guess it was inevitable though.

 

[jimk]

Its a shame...one of the best ski areas in the country..and all this. Guess it was inevitable though.

You don't have to feel too sorry for Utah skiers/boarders

 

[ss20]

^^^

Looks terrible. I'd hate to live there.

Box truck leaves CT bound for UT in 6 days!

 

[Kingslug20]

It was the dream for a while...I can visit.

 

[raisingarizona]

I guess you could argue - just slap a toll on everyone driving up LCC, maybe make it dynamic, so it costs the most on busy powder days. That will throttle crowds, or force people to ride the buses (probably overloading them), or carpool, or redirect and increase crowds at other nearby ski areas?? We have dynamic toll roads on the busiest highways around Washington DC and personally I hate them. They end up being private highways for rich/elite people who don't mind paying an extra $10 every rush hour to bypass five miles of slow traffic clogged by the unwashed masses. At least HOV lanes got people to carpool. Dynamic toll roads mostly serve single occupancy vehicles willing to pay for exclusive roadways, sort of anti-democracy.

Road ways for the rich built with taxpayer money sounds a lot like socialism for the wealthy.

I suppose one could argue that their 10 dollar donation each use may balance things out but I’d like to see the actual numbers on all of that.

 

[BenedictGomez]

The more time we have to think about this, I'm becoming hard-pressed to think anything is an actual "solution" other than a gondy. The SLC population aint gonna' be shrinking.