Will New England See a New Ski Area In the Next 20 Years?

[swampwiz]

Nope - far too many environmental restrictions and expenses to make it happen IMHO.

Heck in the next 20 years, I'd be quite surprised if we even see 10 new peaks developed as part of existing ski areas. The reality is that in many cases, even to develop a new peak as part of an existing area, by the time you add up the costs of the land acquistion, environmental impact studies (and likely legal bills from environmental special interest groups challenging the proposed development), land clearing, installation of what likely nowadays would be a high speed quad and then snowmaking installation and possibly associated upgrades to the existing snowmaking plant to handle the increased terrain to cover, a ski area is looking typically at an 8 figure investment for that new development

Agreed. There will never be any more dinky "family skiing" areas built in the USA. However, I can see the possibility of major resorts being developed, especially something out in Montana and other out of the way places. I hope that the selection of such an area would be done by a real skier (like Taos) so that good trails result- rather than by developer types (like Tamarack). The big question for such a development is that it would have to be as good as the world class areas in Colorado for folks to want to go there instead of Summit County, Vail or Aspen.

I myself am going to Sochi (Russia) this year, where the 2014 Olympics will be held. Last year I went to Bansko (Bulgaria) which was developed quite recently - and is quite the pearl of an area. China & South Korea are in a development boom. So it seems that a lot of the developing countries are busy developing their untapped potential, both for domestic consumption and the international skier.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I myself am going to Sochi (Russia) this year, where the 2014 Olympics will be held. Last year I went to Bansko (Bulgaria) which was developed quite recently - and is quite the pearl of an area. China & South Korea are in a development boom. So it seems that a lot of the developing countries are busy developing their untapped potential, both for domestic consumption and the international skier.

The China thing looks interesting, and I'd love to hit one of those Japanese areas someday (they look amazing with tons of snow). And I read that South Korea is putting a ton of $$$$ into 2018.

 

[Scruffy]

bla bla bla some crap not worth reading ... Though with one caveat, sometimes science is settled, we're pretty good on the freezing point of h2o and the earth orbiting the sun.

We're also pretty good at the earth being not flat too, you're a genius. However, those pesky quarks changed our view of one time "settled" science.

Quick, throw out a word like Steel. Then when someone replies "coke oxidation", you can go on a long diatribe about how little they have a grasp of the nuances of carbon emissions with respect to steel production. Your a piece of work Bene, your the worst kind of troll; you pretend to want honest discussion, but your real motive is pretty transparent.

 

[Bumpsis]

Not taking a side but to post something from greenpeace is like the otherside posting something from the Koch brothers.

Not really. The content of the vid is mostly true (Koch brothers have been dumping a lot of money into obfuscating the discussion).
Just because Greenpeace puts something out, it does not by default is a biased piece of information, even though they always make their position clear.
If Koch brothers or their proxies put something up that even has some shades of truth to it, I'd consider it on its own merrit, even though I'd be suspicious of its veracity (due to their track record in this issue).

 

[Blizzard of Wahhs]

WILL NEW ENGLAND SEE A NEW SKI AREA IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS?

 

[skiNEwhere]

I myself am going to Sochi (Russia) this year, where the 2014 Olympics will be held.

Nice dude. You gonna ski at Роза Хутор (Rosa Khutor)?

 

[tomcat]

UNDER THE ACTUAL SUBJECT OF THE POST. Talking to Northwoods Outfitters in Greenville ME, the said that Big Squaw is bought pending a dispute over illegal logging by the long time owner that let it go downhill. The guy in the shop claims to have talked to the proposed buyer(s) that plan to actually dump money into it. Again this is just the outfitter talking but he claims they hope to be at least up and running as soon as two year after some improvement. The rumors about this place change as often as the weather but this is the most promising, hopefully it's true.

 

[Mapnut]

China & South Korea are in a development boom. So it seems that a lot of the developing countries are busy developing their untapped potential, both for domestic consumption and the international skier.

South Korea provides hope that skiing can thrive without natural snow. I haven't been there in winter but have done research on line: http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic14667 The boom Swampwiz refers to includes at least two major new resorts in the last 3 years, independent of the Olympics. From what I can tell SK gets much less natural snow than New England and all resorts rely 100% on snowmaking. It may be colder with less rain than New England, but what makes the resorts viable (and they are all Resorts, with big high-rise hotels) is the enthusiasm of Koreans for activity. A typical Korean resort has about one high-speed quad chair per 1.5 runs, and always a golf course. I bet they make a ton of money.

I hope skiing isn't a dying sport in the Northeast. Certainly a turn-around in the economy woud revive it, but that's another topic we don't want to get started on.

 

[BenedictGomez]

We're also pretty good at the earth being not flat too, you're a genius.

Precisely my point; the meaning of which and its' application and extrapolation to contemporary times, yet again, went completely over your head.

Your a piece of work Bene, your the worst kind of troll; you pretend to want honest discussion, but your real motive is pretty transparent.

LOL. Wow. Sigmund Freud coined the term for casting one's own faults onto others; "Psychological projection"

So I did a quick search of your post history, a mere 80 posts in over 4 years, a bunch of those in this thread. The findings?

Many of your posts are numerically contained in threads about politics.......... on a skiing forum.

1) Global warming (this thread)
2) Pro/Anti Union debate (Thread talking about New York State run ski areas)
3) Another Global warming thread (from last year)
4) Government regulation of ski helmet laws

You did log in earlier today and make a non-political post though (but surely not before salivating while first checking this thread).

So reply and hurl insults and invective at me as your post history demonstrates you've done with me and other members. You're the worst kind of troll, a polititroll............. on a skiing board.

 

[farlep99]

The amount of douchebaggery in this thread is staggering.

 

[dmc]

So reply and hurl insults and invective at me as your post history demonstrates you've done with me and other members. You're the worst kind of troll, a polititroll............. on a skiing board.

Can you see me rolling my eyes all the way from California?

You started this BS with your PT Barnum thing... Insinuating that that the poster was a sucker..

Total douchebaggery...

 

[Puck it]

Can you see me rolling my eyes all the way from California?

You started this BS with your PT Barnum thing... Insinuating that that the poster was a sucker..

Total douchebaggery...

He has not learned that there is no fighting the liberal minded. They are always right and only they can serve up insults. I will have a talk with him.

 

[marcski]

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/climate-impacts-winter-tourism.asp

You can argue about the cause...(or bury your head in the sand by making some foolhardy arguments and statements) but I fear its already having an impact. .

 

[dmc]

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/climate-impacts-winter-tourism.asp

You can argue about the cause...(or bury your head in the sand by making some foolhardy arguments and statements) but I fear its already having an impact. .

Much better than protecting rich guys oil revenues...

 

[BenedictGomez]

You started this BS with your PT Barnum thing... Insinuating that that the poster was a sucker..

Total douchebaggery...

You are perhaps correct that I shouldn't have involved PT Barnum.

However, the poster stated that we wont HAVE skiing in 20 years because of global warming!

Now, if this was a joke, it would be one thing, and it would have been pretty funny, but he was actually serious about it.

So I'm sorry, but sometimes there are statements made whether of a political nature or not that cross the bounds of human intellect in such a staggering way that there is no other suitable response but to simply call the stupid statement a stupid statement.

Lastly, in terms of "total douchebaggery", my PT Barnum slap was relatively benign, compared to the leaping into the thread and throwing political hand grenades. It is more than possible to have a scientific argument debating facts and figures without such nonsense. I've several times now been called stupid, several time now a "tool", and now a "total douchebag".

I understand though. People dont like it when their "religion" is questioned.

 

[dmc]

It has become total douchebaggery... If you think that term should be allied to you... so be it...

 

[BenedictGomez]

It has become total douchebaggery... If you think that term should be allied to you... so be it...

Here's some douchebaggery for you...... And my last "attack on religion" in this thread.


Even the beloved "Paris Hilton aged" sea ice data has recently been moving against the pro man-made global warming crowd and reverting to the mean. Not that it matters, because, you know, Paris Hilton old.

This is just awful. God forbid the earth really isn't in immediate danger. Oh...... wait......

 

[dmc]

Here's some douchebaggery for you...


Even the beloved "Paris Hilton aged" sea ice data has recently been moving against the pro man-made global warming crowd.

This is just awful. God forbid the earth really isn't in immediate danger. Oh...... wait......

As I said... douchebaggery....

Mainly because of the tone of your post... Belittling peoples opinions...

 

[Bumpsis]

You are perhaps correct that I shouldn't have involved PT Barnum.

However, the poster stated that we wont HAVE skiing in 20 years because of global warming!

Now, if this was a joke, it would be one thing, and it would have been pretty funny, but he was actually serious about it.

So I'm sorry, but sometimes there are statements made whether of a political nature or not that cross the bounds of human intellect in such a staggering way that there is no other suitable response but to simply call the stupid statement a stupid statement.

Lastly, in terms of "total douchebaggery", my PT Barnum slap was relatively benign, compared to the leaping into the thread and throwing political hand grenades. It is more than possible to have a scientific argument debating facts and figures without such nonsense. I've several times now been called stupid, several time now a "tool", and now a "total douchebag".

I understand though. People dont like it when their "religion" is questioned.

If you going to rephrase what I posted, you ought to be a bit more precise. What I did write was that we won't have a viable ski industry in NE in 20 years. There probably will be some skiing. This was in context of thinking about the possibilty of having new areas/resorts being built in NE.
I wish it was an original thought of mine born of deep knowledge and full understading that nobody else was capable of. But it's not, obviously.
It is however based on what I read in papers of record and other publications that have some intellectual credentials and heft. I'm also relying on my training and understadning of how science works.
The same methodolgy and thinking, known as the scientific method which assures me that if I take 500mg of acetaminophen to take away a headache and not poison me instead, goes into what's currently the scientifc consesus about global warming and its proposed causes. Overall, I hold those projections to be believable. They may change as science gets to know more, but for now, there is no scientifically supported thinking showing otherwise.

The really lamantable fact here is that the issue did get politicized by the forces that are only interested in keeping their big profits and not looking for true causes of global warming. That's why there is so much "data" which can be sliced and diced to obsure facts.

That latest graph you just put up about sea ice being steady is perfect example of this. You showing this as an exhibit that nothing is unusual is happening with the sea ice. That very well may be the average and for all I know it may even be accurate but it just takes a few clicks to see that the Arctic is melting and vast amounts of sea ice are gone, where in the not too distant past, they were not. It's not part of some average that oscillates within the same standard deviation.
There are clear pictures of that and it's clear as day. You can not bury that in an average. The ice just did not disappear. It melted.
The graph you posted simply does not account for that fact. It shows something that is so obviously not correct.

You're trying to present yourself as knowledgable on this topic but keep proving that you're not. Perphaps if you have enough courage to look at the issue without ideological filters, perhaps you can discover something new.

I certainly won't claim that I'm perticularly well versed in climatology, so I will defer to people who are by far smarter and more accomplished in this field. In the end, who would I believe, a large number of people with advanced degrees and research experience in climatology or someone who although passionate about the subject, engages in bluster and puts up snippets of questionable data?

 

[Smellytele]

Can we change the title of this thread to "Global warming:is it real or not?"?