St. Bear
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Eh, it's not like I get goggle tans skiing in the Northeast. If I have to concede something, I'd rather have it be temp and fog than snow and crowds.
Don't worry, there's still time for them to screw it up.
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If you could pick up and move.....
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Eh, it's not like I get goggle tans skiing in the Northeast. If I have to concede something, I'd rather have it be temp and fog than snow and crowds.
Don't worry, there's still time for them to screw it up.
VTKilarney
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I was thinking more about the terrain from the town itself. Innsbruck has Nordpark, but this is not nearly the terrain that is accessible from Kitz. Innsbruck is a gorgeous city, though.
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abc
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Well, the best skiing this side of the pond is probably Big Sky. But I doubt too many willingly "pick up and move" there. It's a boring purpose made "village" for the ski area.
Kitz is a village before there's skiing. But the skiing there, while better than Innsbruck, doesn't particularly stand out among the Alps.
Kitz is a village before there's skiing. But the skiing there, while better than Innsbruck, doesn't particularly stand out among the Alps.
hammer
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Went to Innsbruck as a teen, main thing I remember is this view from the ski jump...
jimk
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The initial no strings premise of this thread makes a big difference compared to a considering the feasibility of really picking up and moving. Aspen sounds good for no strings, great skiing, and a strong budget.
I'm thinking about picking up and moving out West for a couple months next winter. This is a much different scenario than a permanent relocation. I'd keep my current residence near Wash DC. Down here I've been skiing manmade hardpack for the most part the last ~50 years. Top priority is packed powder or fresh powder in a reasonably hospitable climate. The idea of doing a snowbird migration to a different excellent Western ski location every winter during retirement years is appealing for the terrain variety that would provide, but eventually buying a small condo at one good place is also appealing for convenience, economy, and a settled lodging situation.
Considerations for next winter: managing costs of ski passes and lodging including accommodating visits from family and friends, deciding to bring car/rent car/no car, keeping healthy for two straight months of skiing, making a connection with others so I'm not always skiing alone, maintaining responsibilities/paying bills on the homefront. Ski town politics not much of a consideration for a temporary relocation.
I'm thinking CO, but in past chairlift discussions with two different older Nevada residents, one from Incline Village and one from Carson City, they both gushed over NV and mentioned huge tax advantages compared to CA. Guy from Incline Village lived close to the Lake and was skiing Squaw when I met him. He loved Tahoe summers as much as winters. Met the guy from Carson City while skiing Heavenly and he talked about how affordable things were in Carson Valley and the milder temps around his house. My concern with Tahoe is the variable winters and the crowds. It's too beautiful for its own good. Nice place to visit though.
I'm thinking about picking up and moving out West for a couple months next winter. This is a much different scenario than a permanent relocation. I'd keep my current residence near Wash DC. Down here I've been skiing manmade hardpack for the most part the last ~50 years. Top priority is packed powder or fresh powder in a reasonably hospitable climate. The idea of doing a snowbird migration to a different excellent Western ski location every winter during retirement years is appealing for the terrain variety that would provide, but eventually buying a small condo at one good place is also appealing for convenience, economy, and a settled lodging situation.
Considerations for next winter: managing costs of ski passes and lodging including accommodating visits from family and friends, deciding to bring car/rent car/no car, keeping healthy for two straight months of skiing, making a connection with others so I'm not always skiing alone, maintaining responsibilities/paying bills on the homefront. Ski town politics not much of a consideration for a temporary relocation.
I'm thinking CO, but in past chairlift discussions with two different older Nevada residents, one from Incline Village and one from Carson City, they both gushed over NV and mentioned huge tax advantages compared to CA. Guy from Incline Village lived close to the Lake and was skiing Squaw when I met him. He loved Tahoe summers as much as winters. Met the guy from Carson City while skiing Heavenly and he talked about how affordable things were in Carson Valley and the milder temps around his house. My concern with Tahoe is the variable winters and the crowds. It's too beautiful for its own good. Nice place to visit though.
Smellytele
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I have lived in NH my whole life and in 7 or so towns never with trash pick up. Maybe the "cities" have it. It seems the people who move from Mass who have all the things I have mentioned want it when they move here too. Small towns have many unpaved roads. I have been to my fair share of town meetings and it happens this way. It seems that it is the same that happened to VT with people moving in to the state as well.
Carson Valley is ridiculously close to Tahoe. Minden to Stagecoach base at the Heave islike 20 minutes. Gardnerville to Kirkwood less than an hour easily. Even Reno to North lake is close. real estate is still very cheap and taxes are low being in NV. Also hookers are legal, which comes in handy I would imagine being in NV.
Also, there weather there is pretty fantastic.
The snow-yeah Tahoe is awfully dicey. They're due for a big year. The last 3 have been pretty awful as a whole. When its good its fucking grande, dense snow on actual steep angles....I'll that over thin Colorado blower over rocks anyday. If you're a weekend skier its busy but no worse than anywhere else (unless Montana or something). The bay area people have it rough but coming from the east its a snap. Ride the dipper lift on a sunny saturday and you'll wait, lap Gunbarrel and ski on all day. Same with chair ten at Kwood, most people are intimidated by ten.
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jimk
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VTKilarney
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Minden's average high temperature in January is 18 degrees higher than where I live. I could get used to that. Only 18.7 inches of snow per year. I'm okay with that too. Leave the snow for the mountains.
VTKilarney
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For kicks I just looked at real estate listings in the Minden and Gardnerville areas. Holy cow there are a lot of homes under foreclosure!
BenedictGomez
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Just wait until the next housing crash hits. US home prices will continue to inch higher, but the long-term move will be them heading lower despite all the "experts" saying this is a great time to buy. This recent rebound is a "head fake" - you heard it here first.
VTKilarney
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The real powder keg is interest rates. If they go up, prices must come down. And when you are near historical lows, guess what's very possible...
I read that the dip in housing prices did not result in prices being where they should be based on historical levels. It was merely a partial correction of the extreme overpricing.
I read that the dip in housing prices did not result in prices being where they should be based on historical levels. It was merely a partial correction of the extreme overpricing.
jimk
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Those of us living near big eastern cities like Boston or DC didn't see much of a drop in house prices in the 2006-09 timeframe like rest of the nation did. And now my neigborhood about 5 miles from the White House has gone nuts again. The increase in home values in just the last 18 months alone comes close to equalling the price of a 1 bdrm condo in CO.
All I know is there are a ton of millennials that will want their piece of the American dream while Boomers like me move out and/or down size. Being real close to urban work sites seems to be the Dream du jour.
However, if telework ever goes HUGE that seems to me to have the potential to change everything about the real estate game.
All I know is there are a ton of millennials that will want their piece of the American dream while Boomers like me move out and/or down size. Being real close to urban work sites seems to be the Dream du jour.
However, if telework ever goes HUGE that seems to me to have the potential to change everything about the real estate game.
abc
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Long term national average housing price may need to come down more. But that doesn't mean every local area will see the same drop.
People are moving more and more towards cities these days. There's more than jobs in play (well, for those of you who don't live in the city anyway). The advantage of city includes transportation and health care infrastructure which are very very important as the population grow older and more frail.
At some point not too far ahead, there will be some correction to the housing price even in the cities when interest rate goes up. But in long term, I see a lot of legitimate reason of housing price in cities staying on an upward slope, albeit via a seesaw path.
People are moving more and more towards cities these days. There's more than jobs in play (well, for those of you who don't live in the city anyway). The advantage of city includes transportation and health care infrastructure which are very very important as the population grow older and more frail.
At some point not too far ahead, there will be some correction to the housing price even in the cities when interest rate goes up. But in long term, I see a lot of legitimate reason of housing price in cities staying on an upward slope, albeit via a seesaw path.
Smellytele
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BenedictGomez
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Correct on both counts.
But there are additional reasons why home prices will decline (though the above are two big ones). Babyboomer downsizing and/or death as well as other negative demographic trends which I will not get into because it would be viewed by the more sensitive here as "politics". Additionally, we have very high unemployment and underemployment as well as stagnating to decreasing salaries. Student loan debt is perhaps the next "bubble" to burst, fueled by government loans and unrealistically high college tuition rates. This will lead to increasing debt loads on the 20s to early 30s set, who are critical to the housing market as the, "First-time home buyers" segment. That segment will continue to decline at the same time as the babyboomers downsize. Plus, there is still a crapload of OREO on bank's books, which most people arent even considering. That will have a negative effect as well, as has the government's impeding the banks from seeking normal foreclosure proceedings. We're now getting the first evidence that "foreign investors" who've been propping up the US Real Estate market are getting skittish and are no longer buying in droves. And lets not forget inflation, which is coming to a town near you. I could go on and on.
Moral of the story is I would NOT buy a house in 2014.
Not surprising that DC and its' suburbs is the hottest part of the country. It's where the politicians live and where a TON of the "Economic Stimulus" oxymoron money went. You drive anywhere around Washington DC right now and it's like a BOOMTOWN. There are tower cranes friggin' everywhere, new construction galore, increasing real estate prices, and plentiful jobs.
pcampbell
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I am pretty happy in Fayston VT. If I could live anywhere, I'd probably live even closer to the mountains.... on the mountain side of the road so I could just ski everywhere.
Sure, if I could ski all day everyday I wouldn't mind bigger mountains but in the end i have to balance work family and ski....
Sadly... current plans are to move like 10 minutes farther away from the mountain (currently live 10 minutes to MRG, 5 to Sugarbush/Mt Ellen), but I guess you can't have everything in life. New location will be sunnier with some walkability, and that makes my wife happy, and might mean I Can steal the car to go ski more often with less guilt
Sure, if I could ski all day everyday I wouldn't mind bigger mountains but in the end i have to balance work family and ski....
Sadly... current plans are to move like 10 minutes farther away from the mountain (currently live 10 minutes to MRG, 5 to Sugarbush/Mt Ellen), but I guess you can't have everything in life. New location will be sunnier with some walkability, and that makes my wife happy, and might mean I Can steal the car to go ski more often with less guilt
Anywhere?
I dunno. I'd like to split time between multiple places if I didn't have to work and things like that. Time in Europe, time in Colorado, and I'll throw in some Hawaii for a change of pace.
I dunno. I'd like to split time between multiple places if I didn't have to work and things like that. Time in Europe, time in Colorado, and I'll throw in some Hawaii for a change of pace.
mountainman
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Truckee.
Gee, you really know everything. impressive.
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