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Whaleback, 1/1/9 (Part III of the World Tour)

billski

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Whaleback, Whaleback, Whaleback. What can I say? I arrived about 6pm from the Skiway, pretty dark and uncrowded. Very ominous looking from the road. I've passed by this hill at least 100 times, this is the first time I've stopped.

Last stop on the tour.

First lesson, 7 hours in single digit temps has a way of dragging you down. by the time I arrived, this was beginning to feel more like a job and less like the sport I love.

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Even the sign looked cold.


Second it's much bigger than it looks. Wachusett-sized. There are many trails along the side and back that are unseen from the road.

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The lift is what did me in. About every other chair had a seat pad. I got the chairs that didn't. Wooden slats, cool nighttime breeze, I was toast, no frozen waffles, after two runs.
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Third lesson - it's a small operation, but it has everything you need. The rental center has a very good inventory. The Downstairs of the lodge, well, that's the nerve center of the operation. The food service has about a dozen items, most for the asking. The food service cashier sells the lift tickets, food and other merchandise. The cashier, well, she runs everything. They give you a ticket and using a marker to record the date.

Fourth lesson - Affirmation of the assertion I'm not big on night skiing. It's not the light, it's the cold-thing, I get very cold after the sun goes down.

Fifth - taking photos at night when its 5F is a major PITA. So apologies for the terrible shots.

The fella with the "mountain operations" parka, well, he does everything from grooming, to lift loading , to plowing the lot. Prolly fixes the lift when it breaks. Not a job I would want.

Grooming. I complemented mountain ops. Much better crunching was done by him than the Dartmouth operation. No death cookies here.

I was so tired, so cold that I took two runs and called it quits.

Again, the snow they had on the trails open was groomed to death and definitely ski-able. It looks like a real hard operation to manage. I saw one ski patroller on duty.

The most curious moment of the evening was at the top of the lift, which had a landing area I can only describe as an airport approach path. The sides of the ramp had small illuminated red cones lighting the sides. As you approached, just like in a plane, first you saw only the lights, then the runway. See for yourself.

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Yep, feels just like the 737 landing at 100 knots.


On a cold Thursday night, the place had a couple dozen customers, primarily male teenagers working really hard to assert their manliness to each other. Smoking, swearing, shouting, pushing and shoving and bragging about their vast experiences int their 15 years of life. It got old after the first five minutes.

The area has potential if mother nature would cooperate. I only skied on two different trails, so I can't robustly review the area.

Searching for a souvenier pin was a failed effort. Apparently the rentals guy chucked them all last season. Oh well, I have to add two pins from Suicide to give me a total of 53 pins on the old hat. All areas must be skied to get a pin.

2 hours to home, it was a long drive. I slept like a baby. It's 3pm and I'm still thawing from yesterday.

The world tour is over. I think I could entertain myself for most of a day at any one of the three areas.
 

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I really enjoyed your world tour, nicely done Bill. Good selection of areas, all very close by to make them all do able in one day. Congrats on two more pins, sounds like you earned them :D

Have you ever skied Black in NH? One of my favorite of the "smaller" mountains. Your reports from S6 and FSW reminded me a lot of Black.
 

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I really enjoyed your world tour, nicely done Bill. Good selection of areas, all very close by to make them all do able in one day. Congrats on two more pins, sounds like you earned them :D

Have you ever skied Black in NH? One of my favorite of the "smaller" mountains. Your reports from S6 and FSW reminded me a lot of Black.

Skied Black in December of 07, a sweet powder day. S6 has a lot more history that just seems to surround you. Physical assets are similar, the crowd is very different. Black has a much wider base of customers, providing more diversity. Black seems to have perhaps, less grooming equipment, I could be wrong.

Trail-wise, each has their own personality, but the old-style notion, especially winding, narrower style (excepting The Face at s6) are similar. Black doesn't really have a store, per-se, just some shelves next to the cafe register. Old growth trees mid-trail are common in both resorts. Neither area has any board parks, again, making it feel old-style. Each area still has a surface lift, again, old-style. s6 has many organized competitive events, I don't think Black does. Black is also the only place that has a coral of horses next to the lift!

FSW- you mean DSW right? Skiway, well, the trail cuts seem a little different. Black seems to be more family oriented, ditto s6. But Skiway terrain seems more slanted towards the young, athletic type (read: college). The fact that you have to walk across a road, is not in the mother's dictionary of "family friendly.)
While skiway has some heritage, it seems quick to relegate it to a wall display in the new lodge. Black, well, if there is heritage there, it's nowhere to be seen.
All three run low speed, rather old double fixed grip (excepting the quad fixed grip at skiway.)

Vibe-- well, there we have a perfect match. No Bogner, (well maybe a stray or two from the Woodstock Inn), each has a bar, but mostly empty. s6 seemed to be better funded than the others, at some times it appeared to have more employees than customers!
No real yahoos out to prove something to nobody, just a lot of quiet, but driven skiers - oldtimers and less aged.

Grooming, well, s6 seemed to be the most agressive about creating cord, but that very well could just be the crappy weather conditions. On the day I visited Black, nothing had been groomed. For me, heaven! For others - "too much snow". Again, the retro-vibe.

I'd have to say there are a group of mountains, especially the further north you go, about 1000 vertical feet that could be lumped into such a category.

Cranmore is one of the few area I have not been to, but I suspect would fall into this category. I suspect Middlebury (another must-do) will be similar. I hesitate to put Burke in this category - it's bigger, but it's got no recognition outside NEK.
Then there are those neglected areas that have a similar vertical, but don't have the historical cachet - Ragged comes to mind.

I think people should take notice that places like those noted are great places to go on crowded weekends, holiday periods, or on windy days. In some ways, these places are my secret.
 

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Yea, I meant DSW. When I said they reminded me of Black, I was more thinking trail wise rather than anything else. Even Black has that huge swath of trail paralleling both the double and triple for its one mammoth sized trail. Black may not wear its history on its sleeve, but I think it had a first lift of some sort. Perhaps the J bar? First over head cable lift or something like that. Suffice to say, it is one old ski area.

I would hesitate to put Cranmore on the list since it has a HSQ. Huge history though. I have never skied there. At 2k vert, Burke wouldn't belong... especially being owned by one of the biggest resort companies on the world. Ragged and Tenney both have similar vert, Ragged has the six pack though. Not sure if a high speed lift would disqualify or not. Ascutney perhaps is another place short on vertical than the big boys and off the radar because of it. Also a high speeder there.
 

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You're right. Once you start installing modern lift equipment you immediately lose a lot of the old-feeling cachet. The only thing worse if if they start boulevard-ing things.
 

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Sign up for the mailing list, and email Evan for fall volenteer work time at the mountain. Spend a day with a strimmer, get free tickets. It's a great feel.

And to give people another good example of how uncrowded this place is, pic from last month.

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Something else not mentioned earlier. This is a GREAT place to go on a 'call in snow sick' storm day. When the kids are going to have school cancelled anyway, check out the midweek prices..

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BillSki, Thank you for your excellent description of Whaleback. We are a grassroots organization committed to developing the sports of skiing and snowboarding, as well as the complementary summer sports; inline skating, mountain biking, and skateboarding. Sliding and rolling are the only ways to get around as far as we are concerned. Tell your friends and take advantage of our great deals and discounts for some of the best small mountain skiing anywhere.
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BillSki, Thank you for your excellent description of Whaleback. We are a grassroots organization committed to developing the sports of skiing and snowboarding, as well as the complementary summer sports; inline skating, mountain biking, and skateboarding. Sliding and rolling are the only ways to get around as far as we are concerned. Tell your friends and take advantage of our great deals and discounts for some of the best small mountain skiing anywhere.
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That must be Evan. Someone must have snitched! I just realized that my company is giving me two crowded holidays I really don't want this year. Pres day and MLK. Whaleback might be a good option. How busy are your holiday weekends, let's say last year. Busy, as measured by, how long is average lift line wait. Any tips for best times/days to ski?
Thanks.
 

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Historically, our Holiday periods are not that heavy. We rarely have a long line especially if you get here right when we open 9AM weekends and Holidays or 1PM midweek. I am always amazed that people don't get out and take advantage of fresh powder or perfect grooming- did I mention that we have a new groomer? We do have a Pres Week camp for kids that means lots of little kids upstairs in the lodge in the morning and at lunch. But they stay with their coach and do not take up a lot of the mountain or lift line.
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