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How to Future-proof my PC purchase

billski

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Like my cars and skis, I keep my things long beyond their "usable life." It's time to finally replace my 10-year old PC. In the past, I've always bought one technologies below the top, after which the top PC's go non-linear in terms of price. Over the years I do some upgrades, particularly disk, and memory and a PCI card or two. I am generally a business user (docs, browsers, excel, powerpoint) but I also use the PC to manage backups on my home network as well as network configurations.

I would like your perspective on how best to buy (or shall we say, invest). Particularly:

1. I thought about 64 bit Vista, but there are still compatibility problems, especially with a key app I paid big bucks for and one or two device drivers for ancient peripherals I still use and probably for a few more years (parallel printers, SCISdrives, ATAPI CD burners that work with specific apps, a source of huge aggravation) since I'm not about to lay out more cash for "perfectly good" peripherals. Is it practical to upgrade to 64 bit later?

1a. I love memory, my apps love memory, but with 3GB max on 32-bit, what should I do? Buy more memory now with the new PC, even though I can't use it?

2. Now here's the BIG question. Cores. 2 or 4? Standard wisdom suggests 2 is enough. But then again, when I bought my PC 10 years ago, nobody ever imagined watching streaming video, or storing GBs of photos and music. iPod was a wet dream then. So I'm thinking about getting 4 cores. 10 years ago, nobody used anything but a lightweight anti-virus. Now we've got so much background processing going with firewalls, etc. just to protect the machine, Lord knows what will layer on next. I also love L2 cache, so the biggest honking cache I can afford is the object. How does L2 cache relate to number of cores, from a performance perspective. Leaning toward 4 cores. What should I do?

3. Expansion - I always get extra bays and slots, I inevitably use them. This will be my 4th PC. That's a statement, not a question.

4. I'm leaning towards external disk storage for backups. I backup 4 machines right now, soon to be 5. I've lived through tape backups and today use DVDs for backup, but it's a manual process which is now taking too long and I'd like to avoid. Just backups, not data transport. Any suggestions?

5. Does video need to be future-proofed? I watch the occassional TV show, but I'm not really big on TV anyways. That said, I could see getting a helmet cam and editing skiing some day.

6. RAID - thought about doing raid 0 , primarily to increase performance, but that doubles the odds of disk failures (I've had my share). A higher level of raid is not justified by the cost - I figured I'd get faster processors with more L2 cache instead.

There are a lot more technology choices than when selecting 10 years ago.
Being in the business, I understand that specific applications are either disk or memory intensive. Since I'm not in a position to seek voodoo lady advice about the future, I figure I would beef up both.

I often have 40-50 windows open concurrently, fairly big file sizes.

Any other suggestions for future-proofing the machine?

Thanks techno-dweebs of the world!
 
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I bought a terabyte external USB drive last fall for $200.00. That is the appropriate device to use for backup.

A PC is obsolete 90 days after you buy it. I wouldn't agonize over it. You don't need much of a machine to run Microsoft Office and a browser. If you're pushing around video, you have to pay attention.
 

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I bought a terabyte external USB drive last fall for $200.00. That is the appropriate device to use for backup.

A PC is obsolete 90 days after you buy it. I wouldn't agonize over it. You don't need much of a machine to run Microsoft Office and a browser. If you're pushing around video, you have to pay attention.

Not sure I buy the MS Office argument. In the 10 years I used Office (and Lotus Smartsuite) I watched it go from a 200MB package to something that seemingly needs 10's of GB's and takes forever to startup.

I bought a fairly tricked out PC back then and the machine blazed. I've rebuilt the machine a couple times since then and purged all the bloatware and upgrades and patches, but the apps and their demands on the system have always increased steeply in the 24 years I've used PCs.

I'm looking at a 2-disk removable backup scheme (Having developed backup products for several years) and being a student of failure probabilities.

I failed to mention, I often have 40-50 windows open concurrently, fairly big file sizes.
 
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Very helpful ;)

How many years have you been running yours?

Sorry... i was only goofing... for real...

I've had MACs on and off since the 80's....
I will not buy a PC unless I have a technical reason to do so.. I like the MAC experience... what can I say... It's not for everyone...

My desktop is an 24" IMAC with 4gb of mem.. and a tb external drive..
I used to be into super PCs in the days of Quake and HalfLife... But now I strictly game on the XBox... MAC is used for video and music.. Also work. Use VMware to do stuff for work..
 

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I'd go with 64 bit. 32 bit now means a new install for 64 bit.

Quad core or triple core. They are no longer that much of a price increase on top of a dual core. AMD, get one of the new Phenoms with 6MB L3 cache. Or wait a few months for a Core i5 with a 8MB L3 cache. Shared L3 cache is a better architecture than massive individual L2 caches. Bang for buck, right now a Phenom is probably the best value. Plus if you build your own computer with the right motherboard, there's a chance you can buy a triple core Phenom and run it as a quad core.

Video - If you're getting an Intel processor, get a nvidia chipset. AMD, you'll be fine. Intel's integrated graphics suck. If you want to get into media-heavy applications down the line, buy a $100 dedicated card at that point in time.
 
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Amazing that you guys get 10 years out of a computer..I've been through several in the past decade..I have a Compaq Presario Laptop that I bought over the summer for $530..I'm hoping to get 2-3 years out of it..
 

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....Your Apps...

I'm still wondering why the big push for 64-bit for single-user consumer machines?? Am guessing for future architectures... Haven't read up on proposed architectures of late, but seems I read some article(fact or fantasy??) a few years+ ago mentioning how architecture will change radically....controller<-->memory<-->disk(solidstate?).
Right now ..as mondeo mentioned...Quad-Core(although more than a few years old;-)) + fast memory/cache/disks/processors.
Seems that linux for 64-bit would fly but still pretty specialized apps, more for upper level workplace....??y/n
Billski, have you thought about loading a server up with memory...working client/server???(maybe ridiculous)
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Not sure I buy the MS Office argument. In the 10 years I used Office (and Lotus Smartsuite) I watched it go from a 200MB package to something that seemingly needs 10's of GB's and takes forever to startup.

I bought a fairly tricked out PC back then and the machine blazed. I've rebuilt the machine a couple times since then and purged all the bloatware and upgrades and patches, but the apps and their demands on the system have always increased steeply in the 24 years I've used PCs.

I'm looking at a 2-disk removable backup scheme (Having developed backup products for several years) and being a student of failure probabilities.

I failed to mention, I often have 40-50 windows open concurrently, fairly big file sizes.

I assume any machine I own is going to be obsolete in 3 years. I'd rather toss them in the dumpster and follow Moore's Law.
 

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I'm still wondering why the big push for 64-bit for single-user consumer machines?? Am guessing for future architectures... Haven't read up on proposed architectures of late, but seems I read some article(fact or fantasy??) a few years+ ago mentioning how architecture will change radically....controller<-->memory<-->disk(solidstate?).
Right now ..as mondeo mentioned...Quad-Core(although more than a few years old;-)) + fast memory/cache/disks/processors.
Seems that linux for 64-bit would fly but still pretty specialized apps, more for upper level workplace....??y/n
Billski, have you thought about loading a server up with memory...working client/server???(maybe ridiculous)
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Internet browsing and productivity work can be done on a Pentium 3 with half a gig of RAM. Media editing, gaming, and anything else slightly processor intensive is moving towards pushing beyond 3GB of RAM. I'm at 1.5GB usage in Vista at boot. Compatibility is getting better and better, at some point there won't be any reason to have a 32 bit system.

I'd also reconsider the whole notch or two below top level philosophy. Just buy a computer that's half as expensive twice as often, and you'll be better off. Also, it's easy enough to swap out components when you need to upgrade rather than buying expensive stuff up front.
 

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Amazing that you guys get 10 years out of a computer..I've been through several in the past decade..I have a Compaq Presario Laptop that I bought over the summer for $530..I'm hoping to get 2-3 years out of it..

My desktop is 7 or 8 years old, I had to replace the hard drive once. Now that I have a laptop I usually use that at home. For what I use my desktop for (web, e-mail, classic videogame emulation, pictures and mp3s) it is still sufficient so I don't see myself replacing it soon.
 

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I assume any machine I own is going to be obsolete in 3 years. I'd rather toss them in the dumpster and follow Moore's Law.

Why? I got 10 years out of the last one and was pretty happy with the way it went. Everything's obsolete. But if it does the job I need and want, that's all I ask.

As always, it's your time or your money. I used to enjoy the new PC upgrades when I was younger but no more. My time is very limited now and I just need to keep working. I haven't dorked with my computer in years and that's just fine with me.
 

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Amazing that you guys get 10 years out of a computer..I've been through several in the past decade..I have a Compaq Presario Laptop that I bought over the summer for $530..I'm hoping to get 2-3 years out of it..

My work machine gets upgraded by the Company every 3-4 years. Problem is that we are all so busy that when we get it, the new one collects dust for 2-6 months before we have time to do all the transfers.

From my perspective, it's not that "easy" to upgrade my personal machine. I've purchased a lot of apps that need upgrading, there's a big expense involved in buying the latest versions of software, installing them and porting the settings. The automatic transfer programs (another expense) don't work so well for me. It usually takes me 2-4 months to get my machine into the kind of shape I need. If I upgraded as much as you do, I'd need to buy new peripherals and software all the time.

I've been buying PCs since 1985 and been through a lot of machines between myself and my family. At this point, the upgrade thrill is gone and I just want to get the job done.
 

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Build your own rig :) It's more rewarding, and you can swap the parts out when you want. Plus it is cheaper too.
Price depends on what level PC you're building. Up to midstream, it's probably cheaper to buy mass market. But start moving upscale, price savings can be fairly significant. Point in case: Dell's entry level XPS. The cost to upgrade to the best processor is $75 more than buying the processor outright; probably $175 more than the difference in price of the two processors.

Even if you don't build your own, upgrading parts can do a decent amount. Video cards are probably the prime example here, it takes about 2 minutes to swap out, maybe 10 minutes to update drivers, and a $100 card now can do what a $250 card did last year. Memory is almost always a case of buying the cheapest option and adding on whatever memory you need. If you have issues with hard drive failures frequently, get a small (cheap) secondary drive and make a RAID 1 partition for your critical data storage. RAID 1 is about data security, with some secondary read time benefits.
 

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Build your own rig :) It's more rewarding, and you can swap the parts out when you want. Plus it is cheaper too.

Thanks. Been there done that. The thrill is gone several times over. Willing to part with bucks to have someone warrant the work and provide overnight parts swap WHEN the stuff dies. And it always does!
 

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Amazing that you guys get 10 years out of a computer..I've been through several in the past decade..I have a Compaq Presario Laptop that I bought over the summer for $530..I'm hoping to get 2-3 years out of it..
I have a dell in my basement that's approaching 10 years old. I've basically ripped everything out of it and use it for a file/print server, running xp
 

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I have a dell in my basement that's approaching 10 years old. I've basically ripped everything out of it and use it for a file/print server, running xp

So you're basically saying you have a computer case and power supply that are 10 years old.
 
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