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Sundown Moguls

Do you want a kicker built on the best part of temptor


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bvibert

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3 - Finally, please look at this as constructive criticism. I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say we are insanely appreciative of the effort you guys put forth in offering terrain for us mogul nuts, as well as just about every other type of skier out there despite limited acreage.

+1 million. Not even criticism of any kind, more of a wish list.

If this season went exactly like last season I wouldn't complain one bit.
 

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any feature along the top flat area of temptor by the cliff would not be maintained with a cat... if the snow is at all soft the existing bumps would be flattened. causing angry mogul dudes...

Nor' Easter bumps may be the compromise you're all looking for if that flies with "THE MAN"

the two jumps greg posted are constructed terrain features - - - readily available 100 feet from where you are talking about skiing every single run of your winter....

they require certain risk management considerations...


the "cheese wedge" style jumps are only made for comps and photo shoots

the table top shown in the picture by greg is a nightmare to maintain and would never have been shaped like that if it was in a different spot of the mountain... therefore if we opted for that style jump it would look different.

Greg raises a valid point..................... Dec. and January on temptor is a very winter (firm) trail and there's no good way to put a kicker in the steep with out sacrificing moguls.


there was a nice (to me) sized table top over in the sunnyside area just before the lift. how about something like that on temptor after the bumps?
 

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Temptor has better pitch for it. Thinking back to when they seeded NE, there were a lot more bumps on NE compared to Temptor. Dare I say sacrifice pitch for length of the run?

Lower Nor'easter is only a tad longer than the Temptor "steeps" by about 100 feet or so. I'll take the additional pitch anyday. In either case we've been getting "Middle" Nor'easter from the sun deck to the Temptor merge. The turn with bumps that drops down into the Temptor flats is a lot of fun and sometimes you can ski up the whale that builds up on the cliffs. Then you get the Temptor "headwall" :)lol:). Way more interesting of a run than the Nor'easter bumps were.

Like how I managed to split Nor'easter into three trails? Upper, Middle and Lower. We can easily triple Sundown's trail count... :lol:

If this season went exactly like last season I wouldn't complain one bit.

Totally. If even we had just a repeat of March, I would be happy. Still, early Stinger bumps is going to be fun and different.

there was a nice (to me) sized table top over in the sunnyside area just before the lift. how about something like that on temptor after the bumps?

Exactly! Perhaps a little more "pop" and we're in.
 

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I was thinking something on the lower flats of Temptor on the way out towards Exhibition, easily maintainable by a groomer that heads up in there to groom anyway. I also wasn't suggesting anything anywhere near the size of the booters in those pics.

Your point about Stinger having a ton of air options is well taken. A few comments on that:

1 - as we said, many of us don't want to blow off a bump run to hit a few jumps. Totally our own selfish viewpoint, I admit that. There are many times that I plan to hit Stinger or some other run, but I find myself simply heading towards the bumps anyway. It's almost automatic; sort of a mogul tractor beam that pulls us in despite other intentions. It would just be nice to have a run where we could hit moguls and then have one nice kicker to throw down some cheesy old school air. The early bumps on Stinger should be a treat for this reason.
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2 - The jumps on Stinger seem to be more of the "out" not "up" variety. Still useful for building nerve and getting comfy in the air, but not quite mogul kicker type practice.

3 - Finally, please look at this as constructive criticism. I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say we are insanely appreciative of the effort you guys put forth in offering terrain for us mogul nuts, as well as just about every other type of skier out there despite limited acreage.

here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.
 

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here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.

^^^^^ This guy is a great guy. :)
 

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here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.

move to Ragged......PLEASE. I think you'd love it there ;)
 

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here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.

If other mountains would take this approach, we'd all be better of! :beer:

Modeling a jump based on what we had on Gunny for the comp is good goal. Where the first ones were was pretty flat, probably not much steeper than the lower flats of Temptor. Granted, that was spring and the relatively flat landing was pretty soft so you would probably need to set up some sort of steeper in-run and landing on a flat firm trail like the bottom of Temptor mid-winter. Precisely why I suggested blowing a snotload of snow there which you can use to build something as needed. A secondary benefit would be a nice stock pile to be used later in the season. I remember the day last March when you scraped Temptor to build up the big booter for S7...

Anyway, clear signage posted at the turn into Temptor would probably alleviate any liability concerns. Shit - call it an "all mountain" terrain park if you want. Maybe fence an entrance on the upper flats and build some whoops along the cliffs. People would still have the option to climb up out of there if need be. I've seen a few people do that anyway... :lol:
 

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Just thankful for what we have. Very much looking forward to stinger bumps-- a throwback to the glorious high school days in the early 80's when stinger was the bump trail-- staircase curving down the skiers right-- very nice....

My vote for no kicker was I don't want to lose a zipper line. I need a lot of air work, but I will find it elsewhere... or I will simply continue to score below bvibbert in air!

I maintain I was robbed... for the record.
 

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here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.

Man-o-man could corp America learn from this guy or what....i LIKE IT
 

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please dont let them find me

I hear ya---seriously tho--I ski a small hill too Greek Peak, and being "small" you/we have these advantages over the "big boys". Does that mean size really doesn't matter??? I think not. :beer:

Gawd--what am I doing in a mogul thread
 
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here's the truth... i just need to understand what you want so we can provide it. you guys are the real boss (customer 1st) and if we can provide a proper mogul venue that everyone can be proud of, then the segment will grow. this is how parks came to be so prominent... provide what's wanted and do it right.

the "out" not "up" jump design serves users better in countless ways but i'll simply say that it doesnt buck people into the back seat and its easier to maintain with machinery... if you guys want pop... we'll need to figure out a way to offer pop

as for your constructive criticism...its more like research from our end. i dont ski bumps as a means for my jollies. you guys do. what do you want and how do we provide it is what we do for a living.

you da man....
 

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you wanted 3 jumps on the steeps right?


3 jumps on gunbarrel. One on upper noreaster and a widow maker in the exhibition bumps. preferably with an uphill landing so i can test the mathematics in my signature.

thank you sir.
 
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