Can I earn turns at MRG with a splitboard?

[snafu]

Do I detect an inferiority-superiority complex?

Buy your own mountain and ban skiers from it!!!

Maybe because its lame to base your policy on an arbitrary physical attribute like what is strapped to your feet. There is no inferiority-superiority complex coming from the people who question why a resort would have such a close-minded policy, just I for one am not going to accept the status quo based on unsubstatiated "facts" in this matter(riders can't ride the single, scraping snow, yada yada). I will accept the fact that its privately-owned and they can dictate this asinine policy as they want. Perfectly fine. But I will get in people's faces when they say or infer that snowboarding is somehow bad for the mountain. Stop spreading baseless propaganda and obscuring the real truth behind the ban - closedminedness.

As to the analogies to racism, there are some aspects that are indeed totally off-base, BUT there are valid coorelations that only riders can sense from the ban. Seeing that the benefactors of the status-quo are very quick to condemn the analogy(what got the ban in the first place) they miss why those who are banned get so upset. Its just not the lame excuses, its the bragging on how great the mountain is, but of course you won't enjoy it riding sideways. Its the inheirent nature of man to want to conquer, but being denied due to "tradition". Let me tell you something, its not tradition, its an imitation of tradition. Its tradition for all the wrong reasons.

Let me throw out yet another analogy, since everyone seems to have one on this(and Betsy's one about playing croquet on the 18th hole is 10000x lamer than racism):
Person goes into a Carvel to get a birthday cake. The person asks for the wording to be in Spanish and the person behind the counter refuses, saying that they will only write in English on birthday cakes. MRG's policy is just as lame.

 

[abc]

Maybe because its lame to base your policy on an arbitrary physical attribute like what is strapped to your feet. There is no inferiority-superiority complex coming from the people who question why a resort would have such a close-minded policy, just I for one am not going to accept the status quo based on unsubstatiated "facts" in this matter(riders can't ride the single, scraping snow, yada yada). I will accept the fact that its privately-owned and they can dictate this asinine policy as they want. Perfectly fine. But I will get in people's faces when they say or infer that snowboarding is somehow bad for the mountain. Stop spreading baseless propaganda and obscuring the real truth behind the ban - closedminedness.

You completely missed the point.

snow boarding is like "Jeans" while skiing is like wearing a jacket and tie.

All along, boarding culture (or I should say marketing) glorifies the regegade aspect of it. Then, when that image finally stick, they're upset that "jeans" are still being looked at as inferior than "jacket and tie"!

 

[snafu]

You completely missed the point.

snow boarding is like "Jeans" while skiing is like wearing a jacket and tie.

All along, boarding culture (or I should say marketing) glorifies the regegade aspect of it. Then, when that image finally stick, they're upset that "jeans" are still being looked at as inferior than "jacket and tie"!

Not quite - I was answering your flippant question about buying a mountain.

Boarding culture - before it was co-opted by marketing - found it necessary to be renegades in the beginning, there was no way around it. The very nature of the new sport needed this type of attitude to deal with the sentiment at the time. Riders were intimidated all the time, so much so that a rider I know felt it necessary to carry his .45
when he rode certain mountains out west, that was just how it was. Now this is going back a ways and this is certainly not the case anymore. The renegade and rebel tags are perpetuated by marketing so this is imitation rebel-ness being hyped now. Thats why the younger skiiers are hard to tell apart from young boarders. So in the beginning there was maybe some inferiority-superiority complex, but it was due to the nature of the times and what riders had to face to enjoy lift-serviced riding.

 

[JD]

Do I detect an inferiority-superiority complex?

Buy your own mountain and ban skiers from it!!!

Um...I tele.

 

[scharny]

One thing that people haven't discussed in this reincarnation of the ongoing debate regarding MRG's snowboard ban is snowmaking capacity.

Mad River Glen has two snowguns. Actually they are slushy machines, which blow blue-green colored sherbet. They only use them on the bottom 200-300 vertical of a mountain that has a solid 2000 feet of vertical skiing. Except the rare occasion when Mr. Friedman drinks a few too many Single Chair Ales at the basebox, straps a gun on his back, and runs up and down Chute.

40-50% of people sliding on snow at most resorts are on snowboards.

Therefore, if MRG adds snowboarders to their customers, they would have nearly twice as many snow-sliders scraping the snow off of the mountain. On a mountain with what really amounts to NO snowmaking infrastructure.

If MRG were to add snowboards, they would DEFINITELY have to increase - or CREATE - a snowmaking infrastructure. This costs a lot of money, especially for a resort that has one of the tightest and lowest budgets for a mountain of its size anywhere. (most of their ski patrol is volunteer) Where does that money come from for the up-front investment? Season passes? Day tickets?

 

[dmc]

I seriously doubt the mass of park rats will be rushing to MRG...

 

[snafu]

One thing that people haven't discussed in this reincarnation of the ongoing debate regarding MRG's snowboard ban is snowmaking capacity.

Mad River Glen has two snowguns. Actually they are slushy machines, which blow blue-green colored sherbet. They only use them on the bottom 200-300 vertical of a mountain that has a solid 2000 feet of vertical skiing. Except the rare occasion when Mr. Friedman drinks a few too many Single Chair Ales at the basebox, straps a gun on his back, and runs up and down Chute.

40-50% of people sliding on snow at most resorts are on snowboards.

Therefore, if MRG adds snowboarders to their customers, they would have nearly twice as many snow-sliders scraping the snow off of the mountain. On a mountain with what really amounts to NO snowmaking infrastructure.

If MRG were to add snowboards, they would DEFINITELY have to increase - or CREATE - a snowmaking infrastructure. This costs a lot of money, especially for a resort that has one of the tightest and lowest budgets for a mountain of its size anywhere. (most of their ski patrol is volunteer) Where does that money come from for the up-front investment? Season passes? Day tickets?

Thats quite a jump in logic, and only looking at one aspect of the situation. How many MRG regulars would stop showing up if snowboarders were allowed? Uphill capacity of their lifts is from what I hear maxed out on the weekends, and how much of an increase would their be on a regular weekday(non-pow)? Not much to justify your argument unless of course you are inferring that snowboards scrape more snow. This arguement is getting older as skis are getting wider. Of course they need more snowmaking no matter what, more snow is more snow. Unless you have a "traditional" opinion of snowmaking. Why is it that most people cling to the parts of "tradition" that separate and less on what brings people together?

 

[abc]

Not quite - I was answering your flippant question about buying a mountain.

No, the comment (not a question, BTW) wasn't flippant. A ski resort is a PRIVATE enterprise! That was the point of the original analogy of "jean vs jacket and tie" comment was making which you still missed.

The "owner(s)" of a privately owned recreation land have every right to limit what they let their "players" bring in (board vs. ski). You can't crash a civil war re-enactment shouldering an M-16! There're co-ed collages and single gender collegages, for example, even in this age of equal gender society.

So, instead of getting all upset about not able to board in one particular mountain, get your own and make it board only. There're so many defunc hills in the northeast as candidates...

 

[dmc]

So, instead of getting all upset about not able to board in one particular mountain, get your own and make it board only.

Nobody wants that.. Thats ridiculous..

 

[abc]

OK, maybe not neccessarily banning skiers. But by all means shape the runs for the best boarding pleasure. For example, more terrain devoted to parks? No bumps allowed? Whatever...why not?

Better yet, invent boarder-friendly lifts!!!

 

[Riverskier]

The "owner(s)" of a privately owned recreation land have every right to limit what they let their "players" bring in (board vs. ski).

This is the key point in this discussion. People can debate all day long about whether they like it and whether they think it is good for the mountain as a whole, but what they are doing is not wrong in any way.

 

[campgottagopee]

Didn't read all the mumble jumble but the boarder ban is, and always will be STUIPID.

Just sayin' :flag:

 

[dmc]

OK, maybe not neccessarily banning skiers. But by all means shape the runs for the best boarding pleasure. For example, more terrain devoted to parks? No bumps allowed? Whatever...why not?

Better yet, invent boarder-friendly lifts!!!

I believe all terrain should be open to everyone..

It's the thing that makes me like MRG... It's terrain.

I don't want a place to be exclusionary.. I want to ride with my friends..

 

[JD]

Nobody wants that.. Thats ridiculous..

Bwahahahaha...hahah,bwahaha...

 

[snafu]

This is the key point in this discussion. People can debate all day long about whether they like it and whether they think it is good for the mountain as a whole, but what they are doing is not wrong in any way.

Actually the key point is whether I can earn turns at MRG with a splitboard.

I totally agree its private property and they can have as many asinine rules as they want. But as the case with MRG its very hard to ignore a ban that is based on an emotional, knee-jerk reaction of some old lady. Nowadays is being framed as a "traditional" or "logical" argument which neither hold much water. It getting a bit comical with the excuses that come up.

And that is exactly what we are doing now - debating all day about it. MRG apologists seem not to want to discuss it since from their point of view there's no problem. I on the other hand will "be the change I want to see in the world".

 

[JD]

And the answer is yes.....you can skin all over that place. PM me for all the good stashes you can poach.

 

[JD]

And the answer is YES, you can. PM me for directions to all the stashes you can post...