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  1. #661
    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Less than 24 hours after the PEAK Resorts acquisition announcement, I received an email from Vail that said, "new mountains in your area are now EPIC". They can do this because they have the home address & email address of everyone who's skied one of their resorts. I'm surprised you dont have to scan your EPIC pass at lunch so they know if you like Diet Coke or Hawaiian Punch.
    That will be soon. Use your Epic pass as credit card, get a discount for doing so (incentive for not using CC or cash), and then they have data on eating/drinking habits too.

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    2018/19 = 36
    2017/18 = 37
    2016/17 = 31
    2015/16 = Depressing
    2014/15 = 28
    2013/14 = 27

  2. #662
    13 day average doesn't seem particularly low to me. That's at least once a week from mid-Dec to mid-March.


  3. #663
    Quote Originally Posted by Domeskier View Post
    13 day average doesn't seem particularly low to me. That's at least once a week from mid-Dec to mid-March.
    I've also heard from someone in the ski industry before that 12 days is around the average time a person skis per year.

  4. #664
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyr View Post
    I've also heard from someone in the ski industry before that 12 days is around the average time a person skis per year.
    It's much lower than that. I forget the exact number, but I want to say it's closer to 4 days. I know someone here will remember it & share.

    EDIT: God helps those who help themselves. It was 5.8 in 2017-2018 ^ 5.9 in 2016-2017.
    Last edited by BenedictGomez; Sep 16, 2019 at 11:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    It's going to be way, way, way > 25,000.


    Vail sells over 900k "passes" by itself, plus about 100k of those are those military passes, which are probably barely even used. Then you have IKON which is over 250k penetration & ramping. So that "13 average days" thing IMO is pretty much an irrelevant stat now, because the data used to calculate it has essentially been contaminated to the point where the output is no longer representative of what people think it means.
    What do you mean that the data has been contaminated? Contaminated by what? Not sure what you are trying to say here.

  6. #666
    Quote Originally Posted by mbedle View Post
    What do you mean that the data has been contaminated? Contaminated by what? Not sure what you are trying to say here.
    I think he means that the old season pass data, which was based on old fashion single-area season passes, is not comparable to current data that now is heavily influenced by multi-area passes. Completely different dynamic - apples and oranges.
    2018/19 = 36
    2017/18 = 37
    2016/17 = 31
    2015/16 = Depressing
    2014/15 = 28
    2013/14 = 27

  7. #667
    Quote Originally Posted by slatham View Post
    I think he means that the old season pass data, which was based on old fashion single-area season passes, is not comparable to current data that now is heavily influenced by multi-area passes. Completely different dynamic - apples and oranges.
    Another interesting fact that changes the dynamic...the break even point has rather significantly shifted. Years ago at many areas you needed to ski 20+ days to break even on a pass. Now that number is often 10 days or in some cases even lower. Let's use Stowe as a concrete example of this. In 2012/2013, you had to use your pass 23 days before you were ahead. Now it is down to under 7 days. So now someone taking a vacation for a week could easily consider a pass just for that vacation and never use it again the rest of the season. People that purchase it for that type of scenario are driving that number of days per passholder down further where years ago that was unlikely to happen as buying a pass meant you had to commit to quite a few days just to break even. So in 2012 for example if you purchased a Stowe pass and only skied 10 days, you were losing quite a bit of money.

  8. #668
    Quote Originally Posted by slatham View Post
    I think he means that the old season pass data, which was based on old fashion single-area season passes, is not comparable to current data that now is heavily influenced by multi-area passes. Completely different dynamic - apples and oranges.
    Correct.
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  9. #669
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    Another interesting fact that changes the dynamic...the break even point has rather significantly shifted. Years ago at many areas you needed to ski 20+ days to break even on a pass. Now that number is often 10 days or in some cases even lower. Let's use Stowe as a concrete example of this. In 2012/2013, you had to use your pass 23 days before you were ahead. Now it is down to under 7 days. So now someone taking a vacation for a week could easily consider a pass just for that vacation and never use it again the rest of the season. People that purchase it for that type of scenario are driving that number of days per passholder down further where years ago that was unlikely to happen as buying a pass meant you had to commit to quite a few days just to break even. So in 2012 for example if you purchased a Stowe pass and only skied 10 days, you were losing quite a bit of money.
    Yes this is me this winter. Heading to Taos to ski with my brother (3-4 days) and at least one trip to Sugarbush to ski with my Brother in Law. So I bought the Ikon base pass. With these 2 trips I've basically broken even. So a second Sugarbush trip, a jaunt to Killington and a trek across the valley to Stratton is all gravy. But even if everything comes together I doubt I get more than 10 days. So that skews the "average" number of days skied on the pass lower, yet I do better than day tickets.
    2018/19 = 36
    2017/18 = 37
    2016/17 = 31
    2015/16 = Depressing
    2014/15 = 28
    2013/14 = 27

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    The minute I got an Epic pass and started going to Stowe my day count went from 30 to 40. Now with Hunter on it, it could go higher as I can just take a day off and ski in peace mid week up there.
    Lets go!
    I'll drive.

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