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[thorski]

My mom died in 1986 about 10 years AFTER your argument ceased to make sense for the consumer as far as teh BIG 3's QUALITY and relevance is concerned

Have a nice day

PS I don't buy fish sticks they are "mystery" food and have zero value for people much like the Quality of the Big 3

Have a nice day

Cry me a river

 

[Warp Daddy]

Nah too big and smart to cry or buy any domestic crap made by union whiners who made themselves redundant and obsolete . LOL

 

[campgottagopee]

Nah too big and smart to cry or buy any domestic crap made by union whiners who made themselves redundant and obsolete . LOL

I knew I liked you for a reason

 

[campgottagopee]

Nah too big and smart to cry or buy any domestic crap made by union whiners who made themselves redundant and obsolete . LOL

You forgot old :smash:

 

[thorski]

It's your country :flag:

 

[Warp Daddy]

Camp u da man bro

PS: Not old Camp-------------------EXPERIENCED ---------------- think like a damn owl

 

[campgottagopee]

It's your country :flag:

That's where your wrong HS---it's OUR country man

 

[bvibert]

Mods : Red alert Troll control needed

No alert needed.

I'm still waiting for him to make a valid point about anything. I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

 

[campgottagopee]

Camp u da man bro

PS: Not old Camp-------------------EXPERIENCED ---------------- think like a damn owl

AHHHhhhhh, you very wise Warp Daddy

 

[o3jeff]

Well my 97 ford f150 is now at 149,000+ and still runs everyday for work. only routine maintenance. shocks, brakes, normal wear items.
The people who would come back are the ones who can turn the economy around.
If half the people going to buy a new car now bought american then the economy would turn around quick.
As for the pessimists who don't believe keep buying foreign. it's alot easier to pick out the guys who like fish sticks.
:flag:

You going to do your part and buy a new car or two in the near future?

 

[thorski]

You going to do your part and buy a new car or two in the near future?

Of course. The ford is eventually going to be retired for a new one. Probably sooner then it needs to be because of the deals out there now.

If things keep going this way america will soon have to rely completely on foreign manufacturing. We already rely on it to much. Ask yourself if this is a good thing?
If half the people out there who are about to buy a NEW car bought american the economy would turn around. It really is that simple.
Thats my point bvibert.
:flag: yeah i love the smiley with the american flag even though he is probably made in china.

 

[wa-loaf]

If things keep going this way america will soon have to rely completely on foreign manufacturing. We already rely on it to much. Ask yourself if this is a good thing?

That's where your argument falls apart. You are worried about the manufacturing base in the US, but then you dismiss the fact that there are a ton of "foreign" cars built here. That looks like a pretty solid infrastructure to me, they are just in South or out west rather than in the rust belt. Most of those factories get 1/2 their parts from US suppliers, just like the Big three get 1/2 their parts from overseas. The only real difference is where the headquarters is located.

If you are really worried about our manufacturing, go out and buy toasters, microwaves, dishwashers, and electronics that are made in the US.

 

[thorski]

That's where your argument falls apart. You are worried about the manufacturing base in the US, but then you dismiss the fact that there are a ton of "foreign" cars built here. That looks like a pretty solid infrastructure to me, they are just in South or out west rather than in the rust belt. Most of those factories get 1/2 their parts from US suppliers, just like the Big three get 1/2 their parts from overseas. The only real difference is where the headquarters is located.

If you are really worried about our manufacturing, go out and buy toasters, microwaves, dishwashers, and electronics that are made in the US.

Who is in control is also a real difference. Where the profit goes is another.
Right now GM is making cars and money in china. Making and selling cars brings profit back to america and makes the company and our country stronger.
The amount of jobs created in the US by the big three far outweigh what the foreign companies produce.
What would happen to the stock market if the big three had a huge spike in sales?
Do you guys even watch the news?

 

[wa-loaf]

Do you guys even watch the news?

Yes, and I noticed that Chryslers only new car this year is a new Grand Cherokee.

Way to adapt to the new economy . . . :smash:

 

[o3jeff]

Unfortunately the fix isn't as simple as buying American cars. They need to fix the problem that got them where they are. The government is working on the corporate greed part. The other is how can a company make a profitable product when their labor cost is so high? They are paying people on the production line with a high school education more than a college professor with a Phd make? Instead of laying people off when times are slow they are forced to buy them out with attractive pensions they didn't earn.

Personally I think one of the big 3 will have to sink before the problems are fixed

 

[Warp Daddy]

Unfortunately the fix isn't as simple as buying American cars. They need to fix the problem that got them where they are. The government is working on the corporate greed part. The other is how can a company make a profitable product when their labor cost is so high? They are paying people on the production line with a high school education more than a college professor with a Phd make? Instead of laying people off when times are slow they are forced to buy them out with attractive pensions they didn't earn.

Personally I think one of the big 3 will have to sink before the problems are fixed

On Target !!!

Even IF they eventually compete on a quality comparison the legacy costs and the wage/benefit rates are KILLING them ,!! While Management leadership is at best impoverished and product line planning matched to consumer need seems to be a foreign concept to teh BIG THREE the Myopia of the Unions who fail to see that they are a major part of the problem . witnessed by featherbedding and other forms of un- productive labor is a toxic mixture for decline

They will have to compete with very aggressive competitors who long ago figured out the quality/cost / consumer need matrices required for profitability

 

[bvibert]

If half the people out there who are about to buy a NEW car bought american the economy would turn around. It really is that simple.
Thats my point bvibert.

It's not that simple, that's why I don't consider it a valid point.

Are you in the UAW?

 

[snoseek]

Do you guys even watch the news?

Yes-the sports and weather are excellent.

Do you ever read Consumer Reports?

 

[thorski]

It's not that simple, that's why I don't consider it a valid point.

Are you in the UAW?

It would be that simple. Just think of what it would do to american morale which is as low as i've ever seen it. Talking to you guys makes me think your a bunch of those selfish vermonters who want to secede from the union.
GM succeeds means america succeeds. GM fails means america enters a depression.
I am not in the UAW i am not even pro union. But the fact of the matter is gm and ford are making the best cars out there now and the deals out there can't be beat. Your paying for the bailout anyway because obama understands how important the big three are to the economy and national defense. yes i read consumer reports apparently you haven't recently.
On this i'm out, good day gentlemen and think before you buy. There are good american alternatives to the axis powers.
bvibert I will buy you a sam adams next year at sundown. :flag:
Unless thats frowned upon in the complex social dynamics of sundown. LMAO

 

[wa-loaf]

It would be that simple. Just think of what it would do to american morale which is as low as i've ever seen it. Talking to you guys makes me think your a bunch of those selfish vermonters who want to secede from the union.
GM succeeds means america succeeds. GM fails means america enters a depression.
I am not in the UAW i am not even pro union. But the fact of the matter is gm and ford are making the best cars out there now and the deals out there can't be beat. Your paying for the bailout anyway because obama understands how important the big three are to the economy and national defense. yes i read consumer reports apparently you haven't recently.
On this i'm out, good day gentlemen and think before you buy. There are good american alternatives to the axis powers.
bvibert I will buy you a sam adams next year at sundown. :flag:
Unless thats frowned upon in the complex social dynamics of sundown. LMAO

Beer is definitely an area where we are beating the Asians, though I loves me some Guinness . . .