"Beastly" groomer porn

[thetrailboss]

The whole fleet is PBs now, to my knowledge. They offloaded the BR350 a few years ago. I think they're running mostly PB600s now.

The BR350 was a purchase for ME parks, basically. The park groomer at the time was a huge Prinoth guy, and somehow managed to convince the powers that be to purchase a yellow machine for him. We called it the "Atomic Lemon." BR350 is a great machine to run, but we had so much trouble with that machine.

Was it made after Bombardier sold the division to Prinoth?

 

[Newpylong]

If you have to rebuild engines at 5,000 hours on anything, you're doing it wrong. That's like rebuilding your Chevy small block at 50,000 miles.

Also, old BRs have Cat engines. Best engine besides the old Benz engines in the older and some new PBs. Those will go 15,000 hours and be fine.

What it comes down to is Prinoths leave a shit pass, have fallen behind in times, no upgrades and a service side of operations that doesn't care

Didn't say engine. Prinoth recommends a 5,000-6,000 hour maintenance cycle that includes rebuilding or replacement of the hydraulic motors, fittings and hoses among other things. That is what I was referring to. I think the PBs are better machines but the Prinoths run fine if maintained and you're decent behind the stick.

 

[cdskier]

The whole fleet is PBs now, to my knowledge. They offloaded the BR350 a few years ago. I think they're running mostly PB600s now.

The BR350 was a purchase for ME parks, basically. The park groomer at the time was a huge Prinoth guy, and somehow managed to convince the powers that be to purchase a yellow machine for him. We called it the "Atomic Lemon." BR350 is a great machine to run, but we had so much trouble with that machine.

Thanks for the response! I love details on equipment and stuff like this.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Was it made after Bombardier sold the division to Prinoth?

Well, it was right in the transition from Campoplast to Prinoth. It was branded Prinoth, but was probably an early build. Maybe even built when the company was under the Camoplast umbrella. I can't help but wonder if some of the corporate nonsense filtered down to the production line and led to a bit of confusion. But who knows.

Also, to FBGM, old BRs were all Cummins power plants (the old 8.3l mechanical beasties). They didn't switch to Caterpillar until the BR350 (or maybe the BR2000?) when they started putting the C9 in them. What a disaster! Cat invented the HEUI fuel system. Works fine in my Powerstroke (an International engine), but I've seen nothing but trouble and expensive maintenance from HEUI engines on snowcats.

And I can't agree that Prinoths leave a shit pass. Yes, the AlpineFlex from PB is superior. But the Prinoth posiflex is 100x better than old crappy Tiller 2000 that PB put on their machines until the AlpineFlex came out in 2010 in the US. Prinoth's tiller, with a more aggressive tooth pattern, the rubber comb, and the snow chamber was revolutionary. Blew PB out of the water until recently. Now the AlpineFlex is definitely the way to go IMO. But to call the Prinoth tiller's product a "shit pass" is unfair, unless your only point of reference is an old, worn-out Bombi tiller that bounces around on hard snow.

 

[FBGM]

Well, it was right in the transition from Campoplast to Prinoth. It was branded Prinoth, but was probably an early build. Maybe even built when the company was under the Camoplast umbrella. I can't help but wonder if some of the corporate nonsense filtered down to the production line and led to a bit of confusion. But who knows.

Also, to FBGM, old BRs were all Cummins power plants (the old 8.3l mechanical beasties). They didn't switch to Caterpillar until the BR350 (or maybe the BR2000?) when they started putting the C9 in them. What a disaster! Cat invented the HEUI fuel system. Works fine in my Powerstroke (an International engine), but I've seen nothing but trouble and expensive maintenance from HEUI engines on snowcats.

And I can't agree that Prinoths leave a shit pass. Yes, the AlpineFlex from PB is superior. But the Prinoth posiflex is 100x better than old crappy Tiller 2000 that PB put on their machines until the AlpineFlex came out in 2010 in the US. Prinoth's tiller, with a more aggressive tooth pattern, the rubber comb, and the snow chamber was revolutionary. Blew PB out of the water until recently. Now the AlpineFlex is definitely the way to go IMO. But to call the Prinoth tiller's product a "shit pass" is unfair, unless your only point of reference is an old, worn-out Bombi tiller that bounces around on hard snow.

Prinoth pass is garbage. Only people that like to run them and like the pass are old school operators who in this day of grooming need to be phased out.

Cat engines are good. Cats in the Prinoths are good. Have had 10k plus on 350s no issues. Cummins in the 400pb have had some issues, but nothing that takes away from the rest of the cat.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Prinoth pass is garbage. Only people that like to run them and like the pass are old school operators who in this day of grooming need to be phased out.

I've already agreed that I prefer the PB AlpineFlex. But... could you kindly substantiate your claim a little more? What precisely about the tiller design causes this "garbage"? What exactly is "garbage" about the pass? What exactly about those so-called "old school operators" is bad, and what needs "phasing out"? What's wrong with this product (how is it detrimental to skiing quality? To the area? To the operator? What's wrong with this operator's work/mentality that he should be "phased out"?):

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Cat engines are good. Cats in the Prinoths are good. Have had 10k plus on 350s no issues. Cummins in the 400pb have had some issues, but nothing that takes away from the rest of the cat.

We've had a lot of trouble with HEUI pumps and injectors, and the under-valve-cover injector harness is a real pain on the C9. And those unit injectors are expensive! But we've had some hiccups with the Cummins QSL9 in the 400s as well. But I agree - not enough to detract from the rest of the machine. 400s are solid cats, great to run, and they make a great product. Very little to complain about on the 400. Love that AlpineFlex cord!

 

[Newpylong]

Prinoth pass is garbage. Only people that like to run them and like the pass are old school operators who in this day of grooming need to be phased out.

:-o

 

[dlague]

Here is a video that a friend of mine made. He is a groomer at Jimminy Peak.

 

[tree_skier]

OMG I am picturing GS turns

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[jimmywilson69]

From Stowe's Facebook Feed. That's some pretty awesome Alpenglow and 3 Groomers taboot!

 

[jimmywilson69]

A new Cat in my fleet [emoji1]




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[thetrailboss]

A new Cat in my fleet [emoji1]


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Siiiiick!

 

[Dickc]

https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0bTXI_qfZRUSylCAAptSQ3uxQ

Borrowed from the Sunday River Community. Ooops! We burnt one!

 

[thetrailboss]

https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0bTXI_qfZRUSylCAAptSQ3uxQ

Borrowed from the Sunday River Community. Ooops! We burnt one!

Damn that sucks.


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[jimmywilson69]

2 winch cats working SuperStar right now.

also another pushing out the snow at the base

 

[BushMogulMaster]

I'm probably overdue to dump a bunch of groomer stoke here. Let's start with a fun little video I made in PA:

 

[BushMogulMaster]

And another one with a demo new Bison X:

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Here are a few photos from a Boardercross venue build last year at Cooper, CO. Started the project in one of Cooper's PB 400s, until the Bison X arrived from Prinoth for the build.










This was the finished product:

 

[BushMogulMaster]

A few from PA: