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MEtoVTSkier
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It's been said over and over and over... He needs to GO!
So sad to see this whole thing crumble and the good people of the NEK are the ones taking it in the rear while Q and Stenger muddle through their BS.
At least the previous owners were able to provide consistent employment for some folks and keep a simple pub afloat.......Jr is so inept it isn't even funny. He claims not having a loyal staff is the issue......loyalty is earned asshat.......if you don't have a loyal staff, the answer is in the mirror. Successful managers know this.
At least the previous owners were able to provide consistent employment for some folks and keep a simple pub afloat.......Jr is so inept it isn't even funny. He claims not having a loyal staff is the issue......loyalty is earned asshat.......if you don't have a loyal staff, the answer is in the mirror. Successful managers know this.
This is standard practice with HR or IT staff. Some companies do it with all employees.
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In the end, it is the escorted part that got me the most. She is a very nice woman. She was dedicated. Bad enough that they want to replace her with some hack from Mike's Electric. But to escort her out is the ultimate sign of disrespect. Ary & flack Mike did not respect her. Ary and flack Mike do not respect any of us "hicks". (I cannot tell you how pissed off I was when Ary complained that he cannot accommodate the community because they want his money & w/o profit he has no money.)
WE DO NOT WANT YOUR MONEY. Stop talking down to us about creating jobs, Stop lying that you are happy the staff you drive out is making other places successful. Stop lying about the hotel. Mike sung the praises of the Q family for bringing the hotel to Burke. Then when someone asked a question about the hotel, suddenly you knew nothing about the hotel finances . DO NOT LIE TO US.
Ary is correct, the mountain has not been financially successful operationally for years. But he is WRONG that this is due to a staff that was incompetent or not dedicated. Was there fat? probably. but on the operational level that was gone long ago. HE and his crew made promises about a hotel and then found other people's money to build it with. Along they way, they screwed up and there was no hotel this winter. Does the state have a minor role in this? Probably. BUT again, we know Ary is lying when he says that he knows better than Davis or Stenger. Blame it on the state? At best, that is 20% of the current problem.
No hotel & So they take it out on what little staff is left.
We want a business on the hill that we are proud to have in our midst and shares our values. Shit canning hard working and dedicated staff because why? Because they do not prove their loyalty to Q over and over? because at minimum wage they are overpaid? because Q & company screwed up and didn't get the hotel open?
Mike's first day on the job as a visible presence? throwing people out of the lift line. The only employees left when this is all said and done? probably the ticket scanners- so they can be sure no one cheats them out of a day pass to watch a lift sit idle. They do not respect their customers- we locals are hicks just waiting for a chance to screw Q. THey will catch us and put us in our place. "us" againt the world.
Mike can stand up there and say "Q is quality". But we who live here know with certainty that this is not true. Integrity and wanting to work with the community is in no way evidenced by their DEEDS. They can leave their lying words at home. We see what you do. Let us not forget the GM who never actually started there because he thought Q was wrong to fire the bar tender whose family had a medical problem and they didn't want to cover it. That GM understood that we are judged by our values and integrity, not our checkbooks.
Yes, the death spiral may have started. Cut and cut they may- that will leave Ary and Mike fighting operational fires they cannot put out.
It is inconceivable sad to see these clowns shit on people who get up at obscenely early hours, drive through horrible roads to get to work on time, climb lift towers when it is minus 20 to get a lift running, in general do it very very short money, and up until this year do it with a smile. We welcomed Q'jr as we have many before him. He has in no way fulfilled his end of the bargain. He is not from here.
WE DO NOT WANT YOUR MONEY. Stop talking down to us about creating jobs, Stop lying that you are happy the staff you drive out is making other places successful. Stop lying about the hotel. Mike sung the praises of the Q family for bringing the hotel to Burke. Then when someone asked a question about the hotel, suddenly you knew nothing about the hotel finances . DO NOT LIE TO US.
Ary is correct, the mountain has not been financially successful operationally for years. But he is WRONG that this is due to a staff that was incompetent or not dedicated. Was there fat? probably. but on the operational level that was gone long ago. HE and his crew made promises about a hotel and then found other people's money to build it with. Along they way, they screwed up and there was no hotel this winter. Does the state have a minor role in this? Probably. BUT again, we know Ary is lying when he says that he knows better than Davis or Stenger. Blame it on the state? At best, that is 20% of the current problem.
No hotel & So they take it out on what little staff is left.
We want a business on the hill that we are proud to have in our midst and shares our values. Shit canning hard working and dedicated staff because why? Because they do not prove their loyalty to Q over and over? because at minimum wage they are overpaid? because Q & company screwed up and didn't get the hotel open?
Mike's first day on the job as a visible presence? throwing people out of the lift line. The only employees left when this is all said and done? probably the ticket scanners- so they can be sure no one cheats them out of a day pass to watch a lift sit idle. They do not respect their customers- we locals are hicks just waiting for a chance to screw Q. THey will catch us and put us in our place. "us" againt the world.
Mike can stand up there and say "Q is quality". But we who live here know with certainty that this is not true. Integrity and wanting to work with the community is in no way evidenced by their DEEDS. They can leave their lying words at home. We see what you do. Let us not forget the GM who never actually started there because he thought Q was wrong to fire the bar tender whose family had a medical problem and they didn't want to cover it. That GM understood that we are judged by our values and integrity, not our checkbooks.
Yes, the death spiral may have started. Cut and cut they may- that will leave Ary and Mike fighting operational fires they cannot put out.
It is inconceivable sad to see these clowns shit on people who get up at obscenely early hours, drive through horrible roads to get to work on time, climb lift towers when it is minus 20 to get a lift running, in general do it very very short money, and up until this year do it with a smile. We welcomed Q'jr as we have many before him. He has in no way fulfilled his end of the bargain. He is not from here.
halfpintvt
New member
Dear Oldtimer, your last post is an incredibly sad and poignant summary of what has happened at Burke. I wish this situation could change but I fear that even "the shiny new hotel" will not make a difference as long as "Little A(rrogant)" is in charge.
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VTKilarney
Well-known member
Can someone explain to me why Mike left a seemingly very successful electrical company to go work for Q? My worry is that this is a glorified hobby and that he'll be back at his electrical company sooner than later.
MEtoVTSkier
Active member
Really don't think the 2 new guys will make it long, until they are sent down the road too.
56fish
New member
Perhaps the challenge. Maybe he's read some of the nearly 7000 posts re Burke and, hopes he may help. Request from Stenger. Ask next time you see him.
I don't chime in often, but that is hands down the most honest and on-point post in this entire thread, oldtimer.
The community is not the problem. The staff are not the problem. A lack of respect for the community and people that made the mountain what it is (was?), is what has tanked that place. They must have lost more money in the last few seasons doing it "my way" as they have ever lost, good year or bad.
Q is quality? BS. Q is a disconnected, dishonest, arrogant neophyte that only gets by because daddy cuts the checks.
The community is not the problem. The staff are not the problem. A lack of respect for the community and people that made the mountain what it is (was?), is what has tanked that place. They must have lost more money in the last few seasons doing it "my way" as they have ever lost, good year or bad.
Q is quality? BS. Q is a disconnected, dishonest, arrogant neophyte that only gets by because daddy cuts the checks.
MEtoVTSkier
Active member
VTKilarney
Well-known member
Oldtimer,
There are people on this forum who just stick their nose in the air and accuse posts like yours of "Burke bashing." Don't let them discourage you from sharing your feelings. You are not alone in your thoughts.
In the past couple of days, I've begun to feel more strongly than ever that Burke simply can't survive so long as Q Jr. is at the helm. I kept hope alive that he would learn even if he didn't have the proper experience. But the last two pass holder meetings have made me believe that he has not learned anything at all.
I just pray that SOMEBODY comes along who can run the mountain better. I hope that the subcontractors get paid. I hope that Jerry Davis gets paid. And most of all, I hope that the hotel gets opened and that we put some good people to work. If it takes a foreclosure (aka "short sale") action to get that done, then so be it.
People can call me a basher, but I am going to say what I've been thinking recently: I give Burke about a 50% chance of being an operating mountain two years from now if something isn't done very quickly. I'd be happy as could be if my fear is proven to be correct, but I'm as worried now as I've ever been.
There are people on this forum who just stick their nose in the air and accuse posts like yours of "Burke bashing." Don't let them discourage you from sharing your feelings. You are not alone in your thoughts.
In the past couple of days, I've begun to feel more strongly than ever that Burke simply can't survive so long as Q Jr. is at the helm. I kept hope alive that he would learn even if he didn't have the proper experience. But the last two pass holder meetings have made me believe that he has not learned anything at all.
I just pray that SOMEBODY comes along who can run the mountain better. I hope that the subcontractors get paid. I hope that Jerry Davis gets paid. And most of all, I hope that the hotel gets opened and that we put some good people to work. If it takes a foreclosure (aka "short sale") action to get that done, then so be it.
People can call me a basher, but I am going to say what I've been thinking recently: I give Burke about a 50% chance of being an operating mountain two years from now if something isn't done very quickly. I'd be happy as could be if my fear is proven to be correct, but I'm as worried now as I've ever been.
Edd
Well-known member
This HR lady. Is she the head of HR? Is there any HR left?
from_the_NEK
Active member
Oldtimer... Perfect
from_the_NEK
Active member
VTKilarney
Well-known member
FTNek,
You weren't the one I was thinking of. You are an optimist, for sure, but you engage in actual discussion, rather than just shooting the messenger.
You weren't the one I was thinking of. You are an optimist, for sure, but you engage in actual discussion, rather than just shooting the messenger.
VTKilarney
Well-known member
If the most recent letter is any indication, the new GM brought an HR person with him from his electrical company. The person they let go was the head HR person. I doubt that she had any staff, however.
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