border patrol

[Dr Skimeister]

These stops have nothing to do with border security. They are starting do do this all over the U.S.. This is an exercise in "obedience training". Why are they doing these checkpoints so far away from the borders? Go to Youtube and type in "Operation Checkpoint". Pretty soon it will be "Papers please", but they won't say "please". "Papieren bitte" as in Germany 75 years ago. As an Honorably Discharged Combat Decorated Veteran, I find these developments disturbing. This is unconstitutional. Sorry. Ed.

I'm in full agreement with you, Ed-Drum. Just another part of the erosion of the liberties this country was founded on.

What's next? A knock on the door? "You have any illegals as domestic help?"

 

[jack97]

Along with smuggling guns and drugs.... here's a story that basically outlines a new problem. The Canadian immigration policy has been lax (by US standards) in letting people into their country which translates to people crossing (or smuggled across) the border.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_041206WABsmugglingringSW.2bb8e66e.html

Having said that, I am disturbed by having our liberties taken away in small steps.

BTW.... Ed, thank you for serving this country.

 

[BeanoNYC]

Sorry, but I did not start this subject on this forum. Chastise the person who started it. Thank you. Ed.

I agreed with you up until this point. The original poster was just making an observation of an odd border stop and asking if it happened often. You (although I agree with what you 100%) took it to another level. This thread is flirting with disaster. I'm politely bowing out before it gets locked.

 

[severine]

Sorry, but I did not start this subject on this forum. Chastise the person who started it. Thank you. Ed.

Um, yeah. Great way to make friends when you're new to the forum. :roll:

This is the Miscellaneous Discussion portion of AZ. Anything goes here, other than politics. Don't like it? Don't read it... or don't comment.

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm in full agreement with you, Ed-Drum. Just another part of the erosion of the liberties this country was founded on.

What's next? A knock on the door? "You have any illegals as domestic help?"

+1

No issues with border patrol, but this kind of activity seems a bit excessive.

 

[MRGisevil]

Sorry, but I did not start this subject on this forum. Chastise the person who started it. Thank you. Ed.

Uhm. Like others have said- I was just curious about what was going on and whether or not it was a common thing.

Thanks for the info everyone

 

[ctenidae]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

RIP, 4th Amendment. You were loved, and will be missed.

 

[MRGisevil]

Greg I'm sorry.

 

[wa-loaf]

Greg I'm sorry.

Trouble maker! :razz:

 

[andyzee]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

RIP, 4th Amendment. You were loved, and will be missed.

Anyone read Animal Farm? Great book, very appropriate.

 

[Greg]

These stops have nothing to do with border security. They are starting do do this all over the U.S.. This is an exercise in "obedience training". Why are they doing these checkpoints so far away from the borders? Go to Youtube and type in "Operation Checkpoint". Pretty soon it will be "Papers please", but they won't say "please". "Papieren bitte" as in Germany 75 years ago. As an Honorably Discharged Combat Decorated Veteran, I find these developments disturbing. This is unconstitutional. Sorry. Ed.

Comparing a 10 second border patrol stop to Nazi Germany is a pretty big stretch. Oh and I did search YouTube and came across this winner:

http://youtube.com/user/CheckpointUSA

I only wish I had that amount of free time... :roll:

 

[tjf67]

Illegal migrant workers from Canada? They haven't been doing this for years. I have been skiing the northeast for over 35 years, and it did not happen years ago. Do NOT act like sheep and comply to this ILLEGAL harassment. These are stops without suspicion. "Are you an American citizen?". "Yes, sir, I am." "OK then, be on your way." They take your word on this? Yeah, right. People can lie. What is the difference in accents between an English speaking Canadian accent and a American one based on a "yes" answer. Pretty hard to tell isn't it? They pull over cars with U.S. license plates on them, don't they? Sixty miles away from the Canadian border is a LONG way from Canada for a "border checkpoint". Go to Youtube and look at "OPERATION CHECKPOINT." READ THE CONSTITUTION. A lot of Veterans (myself included) have given their lives and sanity to defend our rights, and people are scared to death to stand up for our rights in this country. "If people tolerate tyranny and despotism in any way, they deserve their slavery." Ben Franklin. Don't be a "Sheeple".

OMG that squerve your growing down there is saugetise is making you paranoid. PEACE TO ALL

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Has Chamillionaire says..They're trying to catch me riding dirty..lol

 

[ctenidae]

Has Chamillionaire says..They're trying to catch me riding dirty..lol

You wouldn't have such a problem if you'd just wear pants occasionally.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

You wouldn't have such a problem if you'd just wear pants occasionally.

But driving bare assed is so invigorating..:-D

 

[andyzee]

OMG that squerve your growing down there is saugetise is making you paranoid. PEACE TO ALL

Anytime anyone tries to erode any of your rights, should make you very paranoid. Read Animal Farm, great book.

 

[tjf67]

Anytime anyone tries to erode any of your rights, should make you very paranoid. Read Animal Farm, great book.

I draw my conclusion on life experiences not on another persons thoughts put down in a book. As far as I can tell life is pretty good.

 

[Greg]

Right on!

I draw my conclusion on life experiences not on another persons thoughts put down in a book. As far as I can tell life is pretty good.

+1

 

[wa-loaf]

I draw my conclusion on life experiences not on another persons thoughts put down in a book. As far as I can tell life is pretty good.

Since this has devolved into a political thread.

Things are ok in your world, so everything must be ok? Ed rubbed me the wrong way when he showed up, but he and a few others here have legitimate concerns regarding our civil liberties. Is a random border patrol something to get upset about, no. The seeming continual degradation of our privacy and individual rights, absolutely yes.

The Nazi comparison is a little extreme, but some of you might remember this little number:

When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

 

[andyzee]

I draw my conclusion on life experiences not on another persons thoughts put down in a book.

Same here, and that is why I do have strong feelings on this subject. I only reference the book because it does present the dangers of liberties being slowly taken away in a very smart fashion.