BUTTERNUT: The 2005 AlpineZone Challenge MUST go on!

[bvibert]

With enough snow, I think you can head in there a little deeper. Matt's aparked my curiousity to explore a bit more in there now...

I think you're giving away Matt's stash! Seemed like he was personally familar with woods in question...

 

[dmc]

Those bumps look goooooooooood!
Nice highspeed cruising moguls...

Yeah? A bit erratically spaced though, no? Not great for establishing any sort of ryhthmn, but probably great for riders.

I was actually thinking about doing it on skis...
I STILL think of moguls in tearms of skiing...

I like the space between them... Pleanty of time to setup for the next... Maybe pop off one for a little air... They look fun!

 

[dmc]

Those bumps look goooooooooood!
Nice highspeed cruising moguls...

Yeah? A bit erratically spaced though, no? Not great for establishing any sort of ryhthmn, but probably great for riders.

Looks like Greg is on his 'mogul seeding' campaign again :idea: :wink: :lol: A lot of natural bumps aren't so evenly spaced or set up...and that can be a good thing. :wink: Do you think they employ seeding at MRG or at Castle Rock? Granted there are great skiers and riders there who can set up some good lines by repeatedly skiing the same route, but if we suggested 'mogul seeding' at MRG the reply would be a resounding, "get out the rope!" :wink:

I'm not into the seeded bump thing... It's unatural..

 

[thetrailboss]

With enough snow, I think you can head in there a little deeper. Matt's aparked my curiousity to explore a bit more in there now...

I think you're giving away Matt's stash! Seemed like he was personally familar with woods in question...

Yeah...ssshhhhhhhh...we'd better keep those woods secret.

What woods? :wink:

 

[Greg]

Looks like Greg is on his 'mogul seeding' campaign again :idea: :wink: :lol: A lot of natural bumps aren't so evenly spaced or set up...and that can be a good thing. :wink: Do you think they employ seeding at MRG or at Castle Rock? Granted there are great skiers and riders there who can set up some good lines by repeatedly skiing the same route, but if we suggested 'mogul seeding' at MRG the reply would be a resounding, "get out the rope!" :wink:

I know. I know. Seeded bumps are totally artificial. However, from someone down in the flatlands, it would be nice to have some decent bump runs within an hour's drive. Again, these smaller local beginner hills attract just that - a lot of beginners and intermediates. As a result any moguls that are allowed to form, are erratically spaced and the less snow and warmer weather compounds the problem as the troughs become rock hard. Guess what happens next? You got it. They mow 'em all down. I love MRG and Castle Rock for what they offer - natural terrain with bumps that are formed by more advanced skiers. I'm just an advocate for a local option that will let skiers with limited bump skills like me be able to practice so when I do get on Paradise, Middle Earth or (someday) Rumble, I can handle the terrain without looking totally feeble...

 

[thetrailboss]

Looks like Greg is on his 'mogul seeding' campaign again :idea: :wink: :lol: A lot of natural bumps aren't so evenly spaced or set up...and that can be a good thing. :wink: Do you think they employ seeding at MRG or at Castle Rock? Granted there are great skiers and riders there who can set up some good lines by repeatedly skiing the same route, but if we suggested 'mogul seeding' at MRG the reply would be a resounding, "get out the rope!" :wink:

I know. I know. Seeded bumps are totally artificial. However, from someone down in the flatlands, it would be nice to have some decent bump runs within an hour's drive. Again, these smaller local beginner hills attract just that - a lot of beginners and intermediates. As a result any moguls that are allowed to form, are erratically spaced and the less snow and warmer weather compounds the problem as the troughs become rock hard. Guess what happens next? You got it. They mow 'em all down. I love MRG and Castle Rock for what they offer - natural terrain with bumps that are formed by more advanced skiers. I'm just an advocate for a local option that will let skiers with limited bump skills like me be able to practice so when I do get on Paradise, Middle Earth or (someday) Rumble, I can handle the terrain without looking totally feeble...

I was just giving you a hard time :wink: ...I recall that last season you were really interested in the machine made bumps.

 

[dmc]

There are a couple places at Hunter - off the beaten path - that are considered training bump runs...

Upper 42nd Street and the far right of Kennedy Drive.

Bumps never get that big.. Not that steep...

 

[Greg]

There are a couple places at Hunter - off the beaten path - that are considered training bump runs...

Upper 42nd Street and the far right of Kennedy Drive.

Bumps never get that big.. Not that steep...

I only wish Hunter was within an hour. I like the terrain there.

 

[bvibert]

I know. I know. Seeded bumps are totally artificial. However, from someone down in the flatlands, it would be nice to have some decent bump runs within an hour's drive. Again, these smaller local beginner hills attract just that - a lot of beginners and intermediates. As a result any moguls that are allowed to form, are erratically spaced and the less snow and warmer weather compounds the problem as the troughs become rock hard. Guess what happens next? You got it. They mow 'em all down. I love MRG and Castle Rock for what they offer - natural terrain with bumps that are formed by more advanced skiers. I'm just an advocate for a local option that will let skiers with limited bump skills like me be able to practice so when I do get on Paradise, Middle Earth or (someday) Rumble, I can handle the terrain without looking totally feeble...

As an aspiring bump skier I know exactly where Greg is coming from... We need some hero bumps to practice on and get some confidence.

 

[dmc]

As an aspiring bump skier I know exactly where Greg is coming from... We need some hero bumps to practice on and get some confidence.

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

 

[Greg]

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

Not the point. If I lived in Hunter or Killington or Waitsfield, you can bet that I'd be pushing myself on Claire's or OL or Chute...

 

[dmc]

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

Not the point. If I lived in Hunter or Killington or Waitsfield, you can bet that I'd be pushing myself on Claire's or OL or Chute...

I was only kidding... thus the

 

[Greg]

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

Not the point. If I lived in Hunter or Killington or Waitsfield, you can bet that I'd be pushing myself on Claire's or OL or Chute...

I was only kidding... thus the

Sorry. Mid-summer doldrums getting the best of me again...

 

[bvibert]

As an aspiring bump skier I know exactly where Greg is coming from... We need some hero bumps to practice on and get some confidence.

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

I knew you'd say that... guess I'm just a mogul wuss...

 

[dmc]

As an aspiring bump skier I know exactly where Greg is coming from... We need some hero bumps to practice on and get some confidence.

Skiers these days... hmmpf.....
Always looking for the easy way...

In my day we just got pushed on to Outer Limits and learned the hard way...

I knew you'd say that... guess I'm just a mogul wuss...

We all gotta start somewhere...

Seriously - I think bumps have gotten better since I learned to ski them.. Better skiers and skis...

I still drool over a sweet zipper line...

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I thought his reply on the issue of lift capacity was....interesting. If I follow his logic, more lift capacity enables you to get more fresh powder runs b/c you're not waiting in line. I see. So what about the other 10,000 people the lift system swallowed up? Are they choosing to ski in the same line, thereby leaving your powder untouchaed? What a load of garbage. It's much more rewarding to wait in a line at, for example, the MRG Single for 30 minutes at a time and be ensured of gettgin good snow all day than it is to wait for 2 minutes at the Butternut quads with the knowledge the mountain will be skied off by 10AM. Does anyone here buy that malarkey?

 

[Greg]

I thought his reply on the issue of lift capacity was....interesting. If I follow his logic, more lift capacity enables you to get more fresh powder runs b/c you're not waiting in line. I see. So what about the other 10,000 people the lift system swallowed up? Are they choosing to ski in the same line, thereby leaving your powder untouchaed? What a load of garbage. It's much more rewarding to wait in a line at, for example, the MRG Single for 30 minutes at a time and be ensured of gettgin good snow all day than it is to wait for 2 minutes at the Butternut quads with the knowledge the mountain will be skied off by 10AM. Does anyone here buy that malarkey?

Apples and oranges and hardly a fair comparison. Butternut is a small family hill and certainly not known as some eastern powder mecca. Overall, the higher lift capacity is better for this type of mountain. And I do see his point. A good comparison is a 15 minute drive away at Catamount. The lift system there sucks (two rickety old doubles that service the summit). On a busy day you can burn 20-30 minutes between the wait and the ride. Not that Catamount can use three quads, but I'm sure that the folks at Butternut tried to balance lift capacity with skier volume based on their target clientele.

 

[thetrailboss]

I look forward to giving this place a try! The AZ Challenge has really made me interested!

 

[Greg]

I look forward to giving this place a try! The AZ Challenge has really made me interested!

Be sure to lemme know when you come down...

 

[thetrailboss]

I look forward to giving this place a try! The AZ Challenge has really made me interested!

Be sure to lemme know when you come down...

Jesum Crow, Greg, you've got to stop reading my mind!