Cannon 12/18 - Short and to the point

[Smellytele]

Once I got over arguing with my 10 year old and got on the slopes at 9:15, the top off the quad was pretty scrapped off. Down from just above the Eagle Cliff Chair they were blowing and it was bumped up nicely. Just did laps on that all day.

 

[Abubob]

What did you argue about? Whether to go to the Loon or not? or was it political?

 

[Puck it]

I there yesaterday until 12. Under the guns was skiing great. Nice bumps were setting up on Lower Cannon. Unseeded of course. Middle Cannon and Spookie were pretty scraped of by noon. Gary's and Rocket were getting the love of the guns. At 10 degrees, I would think they would have more guns going. They really needed some new gun tech.

 

[Smellytele]

What did you argue about? Whether to go to the Loon or not? or was it political?

First we were arguing about him carrying his stuff after he threw it on the ground. Then he didn't want to wear his balaclava so he didn't then was cold on the lift so we had to go back in so he could put it on. Then he complained his left foot hurt and I rebuckled it - then his right foot hurt and I rebuckled that. Then he said his feet still hurt so I said I am done with you and skied 2 runs with my other 2 kids. When I came back down to find him he was gone and he came skiing up to me after taking a run on his own. He apologized and was fine for the rest of the day.

 

[Puck it]

First we were arguing about him carrying his stuff after he threw it on the ground. Then he didn't want to wear his balaclava so he didn't then was cold on the lift so we had to go back in so he could put it on. Then he complained his left foot hurt and I rebuckled it - then his right foot hurt and I rebuckled that. Then he said his feet still hurt so I said I am done with you and skied 2 runs with my other 2 kids. When I came back down to find him he was gone and he came skiing up to me after taking a run on his own. He apologized and was fine for the rest of the day.

Are you sure he wasn't upset by the environmental damage over Mittersill?

 

[hammer]

First we were arguing about him carrying his stuff after he threw it on the ground. Then he didn't want to wear his balaclava so he didn't then was cold on the lift so we had to go back in so he could put it on. Then he complained his left foot hurt and I rebuckled it - then his right foot hurt and I rebuckled that. Then he said his feet still hurt so I said I am done with you and skied 2 runs with my other 2 kids. When I came back down to find him he was gone and he came skiing up to me after taking a run on his own. He apologized and was fine for the rest of the day.

So I guess I'm not the only parent who has had to deal with stuff like this. Makes me glad my kids are older...I think...

 

[jimmywilson69]

So I guess I'm not the only parent who has had to deal with stuff like this. Makes me glad my kids are older...I think...

Yeah that made me feel better about the crap i go through with my son sometimes!

Are you sure he wasn't upset by the environmental damage over Mittersill?

What a well placed comment, mademe laugh!

 

[riverc0il]

I there yesaterday until 12. Under the guns was skiing great. Nice bumps were setting up on Lower Cannon. Unseeded of course. Middle Cannon and Spookie were pretty scraped of by noon. Gary's and Rocket were getting the love of the guns. At 10 degrees, I would think they would have more guns going. They really needed some new gun tech.

I was impressed with the guns going on Saturday. They were blowing all of Lower Cannon and Gary's with tons of guns. Seemed much more aggressive than the pre-JD days... seemed like they must have been going at full capacity with not a compressor and gun to spare. If they can have Gary's and Rocket by next weekend, that would be quite good. I'm used to Cannon only blowing one trail at a time...

 

[Puck it]

I was impressed with the guns going on Saturday. They were blowing all of Lower Cannon and Gary's with tons of guns. Seemed much more aggressive than the pre-JD days... seemed like they must have been going at full capacity with not a compressor and gun to spare. If they can have Gary's and Rocket by next weekend, that would be quite good. I'm used to Cannon only blowing one trail at a time...

I agree, but I have been at Sunapee and they have had top to bottom guns going in the Sun Bowl, HSQ( 2 trails), North peak. Probably over 100 guns. No way Cannon had that many going.

 

[riverc0il]

I agree, but I have been at Sunapee and they have had top to bottom guns going in the Sun Bowl, HSQ( 2 trails), North peak. Probably over 100 guns. No way Cannon had that many going.

That is because they are state owned.

I jest. I agree they need to upgrade their system big time. But relative to recent history, they have stepped it up without having added many guns (just a few fan guns around the base, right?). They must need more compressors or money for power. I can't imagine their upper snow making limit is due to a lack of guns. For example, they also have tower guns on Avi that they aren't using right now.

 

[Puck it]

It was cold yesterday. You think the amount of air needed would be considerably less. I saw one or two tower guns going on Lower Cannon. These look relatively new compared to the other ground guns. You are right only two fan guns at the base.

 

[threecy]

At 10 degrees, I would think they would have more guns going. They really needed some new gun tech.

The only 2K vertical ski area in NH that's not open top to bottom. In fact, Cannon's offering just about (within about 100-200 feet) the same amount of lift served vertical as Ragged and Cranmore.

 

[riverc0il]

The only 2K vertical ski area in NH that's not open top to bottom. In fact, Cannon's offering just about (within about 100-200 feet) the same amount of lift served vertical as Ragged and Cranmore.

Acres are more important than top to bottom vert, IMO. Take Wildcat for example. ONE route, top to bottom. That's it. Cannon now has three 100% unique routes (Links to Spookie, Middle to Lower Cannon, and Gary's). Wildcat will get skied off significantly quicker than Cannon and skiers will get bored faster.

I'll take the Front Five from Zoomer over the Cannonball ANY DAY. Better terrain via the Peabody Express than Ragged or Cranmore regardless of vert.

How about ragging on Attitash for not being top to bottom with less than 2k vert? Oh yea, you don't have a personal political and moral grudge against Attitash.

 

[Puck it]

It was only a matter of time before Threecy brought in his views. What took so long?

 

[riverc0il]

I'd also like to note that Cannon has had a dedicated beginner terrain for three weeks now. They had dedicated beginner terrain before Waterville and of course Wildcat still is only offering an intermediate route.

What does that prove? Absolutely frigging nothing. Every ski area is doing the best they can with what they got and using the best plan they can within their limitations. Well, okay, maybe that does prove something. It does prove that threecy is hell bent on only pointing out deficiencies while completely omitting successes of Cannon. Said deficiencies are taken out of context of the bigger picture.

Just noticed they are looking to add Rocket and Mickey's tomorrow.

 

[Abubob]

First we were arguing about him carrying his stuff after he threw it on the ground. Then he didn't want to wear his balaclava so he didn't then was cold on the lift so we had to go back in so he could put it on. Then he complained his left foot hurt and I rebuckled it - then his right foot hurt and I rebuckled that. Then he said his feet still hurt so I said I am done with you and skied 2 runs with my other 2 kids. When I came back down to find him he was gone and he came skiing up to me after taking a run on his own. He apologized and was fine for the rest of the day.

I actually remember having similar "discussions" with my Dad. Mine were more equipment function though - kinda like the boot problem. "These skis vibrate" or "These boots hurt - right here" or "I want new googles". I guess since I didn't start skiing until I was 8 I don't remember having a problem carrying my own stuff just the quality of it. Maybe those days are still around the corner for you.

 

[Cannonball]

The only 2K vertical ski area in NH that's not open top to bottom. In fact, Cannon's offering just about (within about 100-200 feet) the same amount of lift served vertical as Ragged and Cranmore.

That's a good point. It's really nice to see a mountain that has both the flexible layout and smart management to capitalize on quality skiing over marketing buzz concepts like vertical feet. Loon has a good layout too and has decent terrain open.

Wildcat has basically no flexibility because of their lift layout. So they either go top to bottom on one run...or they stick with weak terrain. Cannon and Loon have much better options due to their layout.

Who else? Only 3 resorts of 2K in NH. So not exactly a huge sample size for you to base Cannon's short-comings on.

Maybe you were planning to count Waterville. Why not. Although they aren't really 2K and they aren't technically open top to bottom (Lower Meadows is their "bottom" and isn't open). Waterville is a good example of going for the hype. They are claiming "top to bottom", but they accomplish that by choosing to open High Country over better quality areas. Nobody likes High Country. It says something that they often don't have it open mid-season when top to bottom marketing hype doesn't mean anything. We'd probably be well into another 100 page thread if you found out Cannon was wasting money on superfluous lifts and snowmaking just to appeal to hype.

 

[Northernflight]

I was up there today (or yesterday at this point). They just dropped the ropes on Garys and it was by far the best skiing on the mountain, 100%packed powder and not too heavy. The two routs off the HSQ were a solid sheet of ice in the morning but started skiing better when they picked up the snow drift from the guns going on lower Cannon. Some nice moguls on Cannon and it looks like Rocket will be ready to open soon,huge whales on it.

 

[Ski the Moguls]

Once I got over arguing with my 10 year old . . .

First we were arguing about him carrying his stuff after he threw it on the ground. Then he didn't want to wear his balaclava so he didn't then was cold on the lift so we had to go back in so he could put it on. Then he complained his left foot hurt and I rebuckled it - then his right foot hurt and I rebuckled that. Then he said his feet still hurt so I said I am done with you and skied 2 runs with my other 2 kids. When I came back down to find him he was gone and he came skiing up to me after taking a run on his own. He apologized and was fine for the rest of the day.

Please tell me you left a 10 year old, not matter how badly behaved, in the care of a responsible adult. When I read this it sounds like you abandoned him in a public place.

 

[threecy]

I'd also like to note that Cannon has had a dedicated beginner terrain for three weeks now.

That's simply incorrect. They've had 9 days with dedicated beginner terrain open.