Cannon 12/18 - Short and to the point

[riverc0il]

That's simply incorrect. They've had 9 days with dedicated beginner terrain open.

:roll:

And they had Eaglecliff open prior to the last two weekends. I guess that can't be called "dedicated" but it does service a green trail... and it was still way more than Waterville Valley had for beginner terrain. And I'll use WV since you like to compare the two so much.

All I'm pointing out is your inconsistency. You beat up on Cannon when it serves your purposes. But when Cannon does things better than Waterville (beginner terrain sooner, more acres open, skiing to the lodge from day one instead of up/down loading, better terrain offerings for early season, high speed lift to access terrain from day one instead of the slowest lift in the east, etc.) you ignore those items.

 

[skidmarks]

Have they started the snowmaking on Mittersill yet?

 

[threecy]

I'd also like to note that Cannon has had a dedicated beginner terrain for three weeks now.

That's simply incorrect. They've had 9 days with dedicated beginner terrain open.

:roll:

And they had Eaglecliff open prior to the last two weekends.

As recently as Saturday December 10th, which is a lot less than 3 weeks ago:

At the moment the hill is not suitable for beginners & first timers, but we hope to open the Brookside Learning Area as well as the Eagle Cliff Triple for Sunday.

9 days, not 21 days ("3 weeks").

All I'm pointing out is your inconsistency. You beat up on Cannon when it serves your purposes. But when Cannon does things better than Waterville (beginner terrain sooner, more acres open, skiing to the lodge from day one instead of up/down loading, better terrain offerings for early season, high speed lift to access terrain from day one instead of the slowest lift in the east, etc.) you ignore those items.

Incorrect. I forget if it was here or elsewhere, but it's been noted that the High Country drive was upgraded recently.

 

[deadheadskier]

High Camp could be serviced by a Funitel and it would still suck.

 

[Northernflight]

That's simply incorrect. They've had 9 days with dedicated beginner terrain open.

Playing that game and watervilles had 4? if you want to count the t-bar, otherwise 0. There shouldn't be an argument here. Both mountains are using different techniques to open as much terrain as they can with the crappy start they've had. We should all just be happy its cold and there is a chance of snow later this week and skiing is happening, and expanding. Cannon now has 4 distinct routs down the mountain with Rocket opening today.

 

[threecy]

Playing that game and watervilles had 4? if you want to count the t-bar, otherwise 0. There shouldn't be an argument here.

Firstly, I didn't make the 3 weeks of beginner terrain claim. Secondly, Waterville has not operated a T-Bar yet this year. Thirdly, they've had the Pasture J-Bar area and now the Valley Run.

 

[Abubob]

Acres are more important than top to bottom vert, IMO. Take Wildcat for example. ONE route, top to bottom. That's it. Cannon now has three 100% unique routes (Links to Spookie, Middle to Lower Cannon, and Gary's). Wildcat will get skied off significantly quicker than Cannon and skiers will get bored faster.

I'll take the Front Five from Zoomer over the Cannonball ANY DAY. Better terrain via the Peabody Express than Ragged or Cranmore regardless of vert.

+1 There's really only two reason's I been skiing at Ragged. Price and Proximity. Its only a twenty minute drive for me.

How about ragging on Attitash for not being top to bottom with less than 2k vert? Oh yea, you don't have a personal political and moral grudge against Attitash.

oh no ... :roll:

 

[witch hobble]

These Cannon threads are never really short and to the point.

 

[2knees]

The only 2K vertical ski area in NH that's not open top to bottom. In fact, Cannon's offering just about (within about 100-200 feet) the same amount of lift served vertical as Ragged and Cranmore.

tell me you arent going to be popping into Cannon TR's all year to further your agenda. Doing it in a thread dedicated to cannon's issues and ownership is one thing but crapping in tr's all year would constitute major douchebaggery on your part.

 

[JimG.]

tell me you arent going to be popping into Cannon TR's all year to further your agenda. Doing it in a thread dedicated to cannon's issues and ownership is one thing but crapping in tr's all year would constitute major douchebaggery on your part.

I would have to agree with this sentiment.

It cannot continue.

 

[Northernflight]

Firstly, I didn't make the 3 weeks of beginner terrain claim. Secondly, Waterville has not operated a T-Bar yet this year. Thirdly, they've had the Pasture J-Bar area and now the Valley Run.

my bad, J-Bar. Valley Run only opened a few days ago, which I am happy about, moving the snow making along and spreading the skiers out but Rivercoil has a legitimate point.

tell me you arent going to be popping into Cannon TR's all year to further your agenda. Doing it in a thread dedicated to cannon's issues and ownership is one thing but crapping in tr's all year would constitute major douchebaggery on your part.

Agreed, there is a time and place for everything, TRs are not one of them.

 

[threecy]

I would have to agree with this sentiment.

It cannot continue.

I'd encourage you to reread the flow of this thread.

Are you sure he wasn't upset by the environmental damage over Mittersill?

What a well placed comment, mademe laugh!

That is because they are state owned.

I jest. I agree they need to upgrade their system big time. But relative to recent history, they have stepped it up without having added many guns (just a few fan guns around the base, right?). They must need more compressors or money for power. I can't imagine their upper snow making limit is due to a lack of guns. For example, they also have tower guns on Avi that they aren't using right now.

The only 2K vertical ski area in NH that's not open top to bottom. In fact, Cannon's offering just about (within about 100-200 feet) the same amount of lift served vertical as Ragged and Cranmore.

It was only a matter of time before Threecy brought in his views. What took so long?

 

[riverc0il]

I reread the thread before this latest comment. And threecy is somewhat correct in that his assertion if coming from any other person would not have been pot stirring but rather just jumping into a discussion. But at this point in time, anything threecy says about/against Cannon can be seen as agenda driven. I read threecy's original post in this thread in the context of his already having bashed Cannon for not starting snowmaking at the summit. His original post in this thread seems innocent enough but based on prior posts was clearly agenda driven and meant as a slam.

And unlike threecy, I'll admit when I'm wrong. Apparently threecy is recording Cannon's daily snow report for posterity sake (um... get a life? or more agenda building?) so if threecy has every snow report for Cannon going back three weeks then he probably has his facts on the lift openings better in line than I do. Out of curiosity, when did Waterville open a beginner area like Cannon's Brookside?

 

[JimG.]

I'd encourage you to reread the flow of this thread.

I read it carefully. Just because someone baits you into responding does not mean you have to swallow the bait hook, line, and sinker.

All I ask is that you do not turn every Cannon thread into a policy debate...we have enough of those threads already.

 

[threecy]

I read it carefully. Just bacause someone baits you into responding does not mean you have to swallow the bait hook, line, and sinker.

All I ask is that you do not turn every Cannon thread into a policy debate...we have enough of those threads already.

I'd ask you to read it again. Where did I make a single reference to policy?

 

[deadheadskier]

I'd ask you to read it again. Where did I make a single reference to policy?

Technically, it's not policy driven, so you're correct there. However, you did take the opportunity to slam how Cannon is running it's operation.

Seems like pressing your political agenda concerning Cannon or being extremely critical of how the mountain is operated represents about 90% of your contribution to discussions on AZ for quite a while now. If you can't tell, the forum membership is sick of it.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I'd encourage you to reread the flow of this thread.

Actually my comment was not directed at you, as I celarly never mentioned "threecy". I made a funny comment about the environmental damage at mittersil, which If I am not mistaken, actually happened.

So I respectfully ask that you not slander me, while trying to defend your actions in a Trail Report