Cannon Lover's Thread

[raisingarizona]

I believe Duke61 missed the thread title by a wide margin

I like turtles.

 

[Granite1]

I drove through Francona Notch this morning and must say the mountains are as green as ever from the record-setting rains of July. Undoubtedly, this autumn could be one of the best foliage seasons in a long time. The mountainside forests, both Franconia Range and Lafayette Range, in the Notch look healthy and vibrant; even the birch trees, which have suffered in the last decade, look to be making a comeback. If we have warm days and cold nights this September, the mountains will come alive with spectacular colors. Mountain Ops at Cannon have been mowing the front five, and Banshee and Jasper's Hideaway look like fairways at a golf course. Zoomer chairlift has been painted and glowed in the morning sunshine. Rocket had been mowed at angles instead of vertically and looked good, and Gary's mowed straight up and down. The tram was running, taking tourists to the summit. Hopefully, it will run all winter long this season. North of Concord, the NH DOT has been busy mowing the medians. Several construction projects keep the interstate pavement smooth with freshly painted lane markings. North of Nashua on the Everett Turnpike, work continues widening the highway all the way to Manchester.

All this work will welcome our wonderful and beautiful friends from southern New England, New York, and New Jersey to enjoy our spectacular state this fall and this winter. Finally, if any of you see Vinny and Jerry, please tell them I would like to show them around Cannon Mountain this winter. The best place to find them is at Mario's Pizzeria and Bar on Allerton Avenue in the Bronx. Tell Bronx Bruno I said hello, too!

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

Lets hope they can open enough terrain to accomodate the increase is traffic from lifting the ticket cap. Running the tram during weekdays would be nice but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[BodeMiller1]

I drove through Francona Notch this morning and must say the mountains are as green as ever from the record-setting rains of July. Undoubtedly, this autumn could be one of the best foliage seasons in a long time. The mountainside forests, both Franconia Range and Lafayette Range, in the Notch look healthy and vibrant; even the birch trees, which have suffered in the last decade, look to be making a comeback. If we have warm days and cold nights this September, the mountains will come alive with spectacular colors. Mountain Ops at Cannon have been mowing the front five, and Banshee and Jasper's Hideaway look like fairways at a golf course. Zoomer chairlift has been painted and glowed in the morning sunshine. Rocket had been mowed at angles instead of vertically and looked good, and Gary's mowed straight up and down. The tram was running, taking tourists to the summit. Hopefully, it will run all winter long this season. North of Concord, the NH DOT has been busy mowing the medians. Several construction projects keep the interstate pavement smooth with freshly painted lane markings. North of Nashua on the Everett Turnpike, work continues widening the highway all the way to Manchester.

All this work will welcome our wonderful and beautiful friends from southern New England, New York, and New Jersey to enjoy our spectacular state this fall and this winter. Finally, if any of you see Vinny and Jerry, please tell them I would like to show them around Cannon Mountain this winter. The best place to find them is at Mario's Pizzeria and Bar on Allerton Avenue in the Bronx. Tell Bronx Bruno I said hello, too!

Well put...

 

[machski]

Now, if NH DOT can just find a way and a will to fix the I93N I89N interchange and widen thru Pennacook to 3 lanes, that would be most appreciated!! Worst traffic stretch in NH once the Everett Nashua-MHT widening is complete.

 

[Dickc]

Now, if NH DOT can just find a way and a will to fix the I93N I89N interchange and widen thru Pennacook to 3 lanes, that would be most appreciated!! Worst traffic stretch in NH once the Everett Nashua-MHT widening is complete.

They are planning on it

Concord widening plans

 

[LonghornSkier]

Widening highways is a fools errand. It simply creates induced demand and the traffic will be just as bad a few years down the road.

There is empirical data on this (in addition to lived experiences that many of us are familiar with like 95 in the Boston area, the LIE, the Katy Freeway, etc):

You Can't Build Your Way Out of Traffic Congestion. Or Can You?

When traffic-clogged highways are expanded, new drivers quickly materialize to fill them. What gives? Here’s how “induced demand” works.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Granite1]

Widening highways is a fools errand. It simply creates induced demand and the traffic will be just as bad a few years down the road.

There is empirical data on this (in addition to lived experiences that many of us are familiar with like 95 in the Boston area, the LIE, the Katy Freeway, etc):

You Can't Build Your Way Out of Traffic Congestion. Or Can You?

When traffic-clogged highways are expanded, new drivers quickly materialize to fill them. What gives? Here’s how “induced demand” works.

www.bloomberg.com

That's not the case in NH. During the week, there are hardly any traffic jams in NH. It's only the weekends and holidays that our highways get bumper to bumper. It's from out of state tourist, mostly from MA, but also from CT-RI-NY.

 

[LonghornSkier]

That's not the case in NH. During the week, there are hardly any traffic jams in NH. It's only the weekends and holidays that our highways get bumper to bumper. It's from out of state tourist, mostly from MA, but also from CT-RI-NY.

Right-so if/when the highway widens, you can expect additional demand (on weekends and holidays) to fill the new capacity.

As for the stretch of road in question, I would support a straightening of the curves in between the 89/93 interchange and downtown Concord. I think that would solve most of the issue.

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

Widening highways is a fools errand. It simply creates induced demand and the traffic will be just as bad a few years down the road.

There is empirical data on this (in addition to lived experiences that many of us are familiar with like 95 in the Boston area, the LIE, the Katy Freeway, etc):

You Can't Build Your Way Out of Traffic Congestion. Or Can You?

When traffic-clogged highways are expanded, new drivers quickly materialize to fill them. What gives? Here’s how “induced demand” works.

www.bloomberg.com

"Induced demand" sounds like a load of BS conjured up by some jackass who rides public transportation and his electric bike and hates gas powered cars. Said jackass thinks higher tolls will fix everything while conveniently forgetting the vehicle miles travelled goes up whether roads get improved or not.

 

[Abubob]

Would a tram like this be possible at Cannon?

 

[cdskier]

"Induced demand" sounds like a load of BS conjured up by some jackass who rides public transportation and his electric bike and hates gas powered cars. Said jackass thinks higher tolls will fix everything while conveniently forgetting the vehicle miles travelled goes up whether roads get improved or not.

Pretty much. And "improved pedestrian and bike infrastructure and robust public transportation that allow commuters and residents to get around without a car" is exactly one of the "solutions" touted by the article that was shared. Maybe you can get away with that kind of thinking in a city, but once you're out of the city itself, it doesn't work.

I'd say more accurately the roads become congested again because the expansion planning did not actually adequately account for the true demand and capacity needed. Some demand may have been hidden/suppressed as people avoided the congestion. But it was still there. Then add in natural growth in demand as well that would have happened whether you expanded the roadway or not. Population growth alone is going to generally lead to increased demand.

 

[Abubob]

Now, if NH DOT can just find a way and a will to fix the I93N I89N interchange and widen thru Pennacook to 3 lanes, that would be most appreciated!! Worst traffic stretch in NH once the Everett Nashua-MHT widening is complete.

Clearly this is not about Cannon. I did try to divert the the discussion but folks wanna talk about road work. Ugh.

 

[bigbob]

Widening highways is a fools errand. It simply creates induced demand and the traffic will be just as bad a few years down the road.

There is empirical data on this (in addition to lived experiences that many of us are familiar with like 95 in the Boston area, the LIE, the Katy Freeway, etc):

You Can't Build Your Way Out of Traffic Congestion. Or Can You?

When traffic-clogged highways are expanded, new drivers quickly materialize to fill them. What gives? Here’s how “induced demand” works.

www.bloomberg.com

In this case it will just push the problem just north of Concord, I 93 nneds to be widened further to the north to fix it for now.

 

[Abubob]

In this case it will just push the problem just north of Concord, I 93 nneds to be widened further to the north to fix it for now.

Seriously, I follow this thread for news about Cannon. If you want to talk about highway construction open a new thread.

 

[BodeMiller1]

They are planning on it

Concord widening plans

This is where I live and have worked on this exchange a few times. There is going to be a huge project here. The bridge (overpass) R.S. Audley built will stay. Below the bridge the Feds are going to move the lanes, etc. The whole clover leaf is going to be rebuilt to the tune of millions and millions of dollars.

There are a lot of ways to get around this bottle neck, butt yea as it stands now - not good.

 

[BodeMiller1]

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Seriously, I follow this thread for news about Cannon. If you want to talk about highway construction open a new thread.

The key is DO NOT MOVE I93 next to the river. Too expensive and the Merrimack smells. Nature will never undo all of the toxins poured into the river.

 

[BodeMiller1]

Would a tram like this be possible at Cannon?

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Yes

 

[Granite1]

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Seriously, I follow this thread for news about Cannon. If you want to talk about highway construction open a new thread.

FOR NH SKIERS ONLY. If you are driving north on I93 and traffic gets backed up at Bow Junction, stay to the right. Take the exit ramp to go north on I89. As you enter the ramp, over to your left you will see and pass all the flatlanders from out of state that are bumper to bumper on I93. As you take the ramp to I89 north you will also see a fork in the road, the exit/ramp to go north on I89 to the right. However, if you take the road less travelled at this point, stay left/straight and you will see that you can continue right back onto I93 north! You will pass hundreds of out of state tourists and you can wave to these beautiful, wonderful people coming to our state to spend their money. REMEMBER-THIS TIP IS FOR NH SKIERS ONLY-ALL OTHERS MUST STAY ON I93 NORTH. ABUBOB YOU ARE ALLOWED.

 

[Abubob]

FOR NH SKIERS ONLY. If you are driving north on I93 and traffic gets backed up at Bow Junction, stay to the right. Take the exit ramp to go north on I89. As you enter the ramp, over to your left you will see and pass all the flatlanders from out of state that are bumper to bumper on I93. As you take the ramp to I89 north you will also see a fork in the road, the exit/ramp to go north on I89 to the right. However, if you take the road less travelled at this point, stay left/straight and you will see that you can continue right back onto I93 north! You will pass hundreds of out of state tourists and you can wave to these beautiful, wonderful people coming to our state to spend their money. REMEMBER-THIS TIP IS FOR NH SKIERS ONLY-ALL OTHERS MUST STAY ON I93 NORTH. ABUBOB YOU ARE ALLOWED.

Well, considering that I live a 10 minute drive from exit 23 … THANKS.