Do you wear a helmet?

[deadheadskier]

Role model? It's up to the parents to teach them who to model after on which behavior, rather than automatically model after EVERY BEHAVIOR of whomever they drop their kids off at.

So, tell your kids WHY they must wear a helmet when others don't. Or tell them they have to because you say so. A positive influence is nice add-on, but any parent who rely on such random "influence" as the primary source for shaping the kids' behavior will likely be disappointed.

I agree with this completely.

I'm willing to bet 99.9% of the members of this forum learned to ski without a helmet. Most of us only started wearing them within the last decade. Most of us have come out just fine through all those "dangers".

Someone teaching kids on a beginner hill should never be a role model for your kids. If you allow them to be a role model and your kids choices are more influenced by an instructor walking up a beginner hill sans helmet vs. what you've told them.......the issue lies with the parenting, not the instructor.

I still want to see you shave your head though abc and get a helmet tattoo.

 

[VTKilarney]

I agree with this completely.

I'm willing to bet 99.9% of the members of this forum learned to ski without a helmet. Most of us only started wearing them within the last decade. Most of us have come out just fine through all those "dangers".

Someone teaching kids on a beginner hill should never be a role model for your kids. If you allow them to be a role model and your kids choices are more influenced by an instructor walking up a beginner hill sans helmet vs. what you've told them.......the issue lies with the parenting, not the instructor.

I still want to see you shave your head though abc and get a helmet tattoo.

Nobody suggested that the instructor take the place of a parent. That's a false premise. It was merely suggested that the best instructors lead by example and the lesser instructors don't. We know where abc stands.


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[deadheadskier]

Nobody suggested that the instructor take the place of a parent. That's a false premise. It was merely suggested that the best instructors lead by example and the lesser instructors don't. We know where abc stands.


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The best ski instructors are the one's that teach kid's the best. Wearing a helmet has nothing to do with it at that level. He's spending more time picking beginners off the ground on likely a slope serviced by a Magic Carpet lift than he's actually skiing. If you think that individual should be in a helmet and viewed as a role model by your children.......yeah, then it's not a false premise. Parenting is an issue.

I find it somewhat laughable that people are trying to guilt abc into wearing a helmet in such an environment.

 

[VTKilarney]

I find it somewhat laughable that people are trying to guilt abc into wearing a helmet in such an environment.

Nobody is trying to guilt him into anything. It's his choice. I'm just pointing out what his priorities are based on his choice. Promoting safety by leading by example is not his priority. That's not debatable. But at the end of the day it's his call.

 

[deadheadskier]

Nobody is trying to guilt him into anything. It's his choice. I'm just pointing out what his priorities are based on his choice. Promoting safety by leading by example is not his priority. That's not debatable. But at the end of the day it's his call.

This is a series of guilt statements BTW.

You (and others) wouldn't point it out if you weren't attempting to influence a change in behavior.

Nobody just makes flippant statements like that. They're purposeful.

 

[abc]

I find it somewhat laughable that people are trying to guilt abc into wearing a helmet in such an environment.

Fortunately, my parents raised me NOT to give in to peer pressure blindly. That was the best "education" I got, at home, from a rather early age.

Thanks to that, I was able to resist pressure as a teenager then, and as an adult now. I'm able to make my own decisions and stay my own course based on science and logic, despite the ebbs and flow of fashion, marketing and political correctness.

 

[steamboat1]

I really don't care who wears a helmet or not. Never have.

 

[VTKilarney]

Fortunately, my parents raised me NOT to give in to peer pressure blindly. That was the best "education" I got, at home, from a rather early age.

Thanks to that, I was able to resist pressure as a teenager then, and as an adult now. I'm able to make my own decisions and stay my own course based on science and logic, despite the ebbs and flow of fashion, marketing and political correctness.

Nobody was talking about peer pressure. Positive reinforcement is something entirely different. Yet another false analogy of many. Is this supposed to be a game or something? If it is, you could at least tell me my score.


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[catskillman]

WOW - I am beginning to think you and your ski school director have some brain issues from a fall while not wearing a helmet.

 

[JDMRoma]

WOW - I am beginning to think you and your ski school director have some brain issues from a fall while not wearing a helmet.

Science and logic would have to agree


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[rocks860]

This whole lead by example thing is nonsense. If parents want their kids to be safe make them wear a helmet. The responsibility isn't on the instructor teach the kids valuable life lessons, it's to teach them to ski. I'm so sick of people blaming others when the responsibility should be on the parents.

 

[rocks860]

Just to clarify I'm talking about beginners on the bunny hill, on the rest of the mountain I think that instructors should wear helmets

 

[deadheadskier]

Just to clarify I'm talking about beginners on the bunny hill, on the rest of the mountain I think that instructors should wear helmets

Agreed

 

[Smellytele]

I don't care

 

[VTKilarney]

This whole lead by example thing is nonsense. If parents want their kids to be safe make them wear a helmet. The responsibility isn't on the instructor teach the kids valuable life lessons, it's to teach them to ski. I'm so sick of people blaming others when the responsibility should be on the parents.

Nobody is blaming anyone. Nobody is saying that it is the instructor's responsibility to determine when somebody else's child will wear a helmet. Everyone is missing the point.

All that is being said is that, while it is ultimately the parents' responsibility, an instructor can either lead by example or not. All I am saying is that if I had to choose between two instructors, I would choose the one who leads by example. That is it. I'm not passing judgment on the decision itself, I'm just saying who I would prefer to have instruct my child. Just as ABC has free choice, so do I.

ABC seems to only be able to focus on how this issue affects him personally, and seems to be incapable of recognizing that his actions may affect others, even if to a very slight degree.

 

[abc]

seems to be incapable of recognizing that his actions may affect others, even if to a very slight degree.

Again, it's another confusion of two related but different issues.

I'm perfectly aware of the effect of instructor's wearing helmet or not. But my choice to not "led by example" is precisely because the effect is tiny. Or more importantly, it should be tiny. It's a matter of unrealistic expectations of some parents.

BTW, ABC is a "she". Just so those who actually met me don't think I had a sex change.

But being a minority, both in work place and in a "sport" forum, I'm much more aware of the "carrying the cross" issue than the rest of you. Hence, I refuse to be a role model where it's irrelevant. I will ski and teach ski the best I know how. That's what my students should learn from me or imitates me. Not the brand of skis I use, clothes I wear, or helmet I wear not.

 

[freeski]

I don't own a helmet. I've thought about getting one, but I doubt if I will. I like being in a lift line when a lot of other people don't have one on. I think the lift line looks cooler when everyone has a wool hat and isn't looking cool in the lift line what it's all about. :dunce:

 

[wtcobb]

For those who do wear a helmet, and those who venture in the BC, what type of helmet do you wear: ski or climbing? I have a Smith Maze for inbounds (though it took a borderline dent and may be retired). It's very light as far as ski helmets go, but poorly ventilated. Before I re-up with that model I'm considering the ski/climb options (would be cool to have a warmer climbing helmet than my Elios for ice climbing anyways).

The CAMP Speed just came on the Clymb - I was actually looking at this helmet on Backcountry anyways - but having a purely climbing helmet without properly rated side impact seems a bit... improper. Also wondering if 22 vents would be too ventilated on the coldest days here in the East.

 

[C-Rex]

The CAMP Speed just came on the Clymb - I was actually looking at this helmet on Backcountry anyways - but having a purely climbing helmet without properly rated side impact seems a bit... improper. Also wondering if 22 vents would be too ventilated on the coldest days here in the East.

As long as you can close them it'll probably be pretty warm. I lost the vent plugs to one of my helmets so only the center vents close now and it's still really warm.

 

[wtcobb]

In short, no - you can't close the vents: http://www.backcountry.com/camp-usa-speed-ski-and-climbing-helmet

Wear a 'clava/fleece beanie underneath.