ScottySkis
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WED-THU STORM UPDATE #7: Bust Potential in VT and N-NY
NWS Burlington and NWS Albany both reversed course overnight and dropped their snowfall totals in areas of the ADK's and Green Mountains. This was discussed in previous updates as being an area of concern as temperatures are going to be marginal not only on the ground, but also higher up where potentially a warm nose about 5,000 feet aloft that comes in with the Low Level Jet and all of it's wind and precip. This could go either way, but this is no doubt a safer forecast for them to issue.
Attached is the latest NWS snowfall forecast stitch that now runs through Saturday at 7 a.m., which is most of the storm outside of some lingering lake effect. NWS Burlington almost always low-balls the back-end snow this far out, so this really doesn't do N-NY and VT justice and can be confusing for skiers and riders, but they will bump over time the back-end amounts for sure. I have also included the NWS forecast through Thursday at 7 p.m. with a close up on the snowiest areas using a different map product. to snow what they are expecting from jist the front-end event. Those 12"-18" totals are gone, but they are within the realm of possibilities still. Last of the snowfall maps is the ECMWF showing through 7 p.m. on Thursday also that comes without any human interpretation, does not include the back-end, and it lacks resolution to highlight the mountains in the detail we would prefer in an elevation storm like this one.
Next up is the ECMWF 1-hour precipitation intensity loop covering all of Thursday, and the NAM3K temperatures for the same period. The issue in VT are the temps, and whether or not the dynamic cooling and uplift can cool the atmosphere enough to change rain to snow. Those NWS offices believe that in N-NY and VT there will be some rain upfront at most of these areas, at least part way down the mountains, before the warm nose starts to give way and those other processes take over to change rain to snow. This was always in the cards as a possibility, and models have barely shifted, but opinions at these NWS offices have. So hunting this storm in VT and places like Gore are going to be risky and we won't know the results until just before the sun comes up. The faster the changeover to snow, the more snow will fall. The higher the ski area, the more likely it will be to change to snow. Shadowing will happen in parts of N-VT also, and lower altitude resorts may get skunked. Knowing the variability is really important.
Now I've said umteen times already that N-NH and ME are the sweet spots for this storm. NWS Portland which covers all of NH and W-ME has been reserved the whole time on their forecast despite inching up. Winds will be a lingering issue on Thursday, but I expect to see totals above a foot in some of these areas on just the front end. It's going to snow in a short window, but extremely hard, and likely with big fluffy clumps.
Warning About Driving Thursday: If you get caught in that low level jet near the mountains, you might not be able to see, and even at lower altitudes the driving wind and rain may be tough to overcome. There will be pretty dangerous conditions. I would not expect to be able to get through the notches in the Presidentials either. This will be bad especially in NH and ME.
NWS Burlington and NWS Albany both reversed course overnight and dropped their snowfall totals in areas of the ADK's and Green Mountains. This was discussed in previous updates as being an area of concern as temperatures are going to be marginal not only on the ground, but also higher up where potentially a warm nose about 5,000 feet aloft that comes in with the Low Level Jet and all of it's wind and precip. This could go either way, but this is no doubt a safer forecast for them to issue.
Attached is the latest NWS snowfall forecast stitch that now runs through Saturday at 7 a.m., which is most of the storm outside of some lingering lake effect. NWS Burlington almost always low-balls the back-end snow this far out, so this really doesn't do N-NY and VT justice and can be confusing for skiers and riders, but they will bump over time the back-end amounts for sure. I have also included the NWS forecast through Thursday at 7 p.m. with a close up on the snowiest areas using a different map product. to snow what they are expecting from jist the front-end event. Those 12"-18" totals are gone, but they are within the realm of possibilities still. Last of the snowfall maps is the ECMWF showing through 7 p.m. on Thursday also that comes without any human interpretation, does not include the back-end, and it lacks resolution to highlight the mountains in the detail we would prefer in an elevation storm like this one.
Next up is the ECMWF 1-hour precipitation intensity loop covering all of Thursday, and the NAM3K temperatures for the same period. The issue in VT are the temps, and whether or not the dynamic cooling and uplift can cool the atmosphere enough to change rain to snow. Those NWS offices believe that in N-NY and VT there will be some rain upfront at most of these areas, at least part way down the mountains, before the warm nose starts to give way and those other processes take over to change rain to snow. This was always in the cards as a possibility, and models have barely shifted, but opinions at these NWS offices have. So hunting this storm in VT and places like Gore are going to be risky and we won't know the results until just before the sun comes up. The faster the changeover to snow, the more snow will fall. The higher the ski area, the more likely it will be to change to snow. Shadowing will happen in parts of N-VT also, and lower altitude resorts may get skunked. Knowing the variability is really important.
Now I've said umteen times already that N-NH and ME are the sweet spots for this storm. NWS Portland which covers all of NH and W-ME has been reserved the whole time on their forecast despite inching up. Winds will be a lingering issue on Thursday, but I expect to see totals above a foot in some of these areas on just the front end. It's going to snow in a short window, but extremely hard, and likely with big fluffy clumps.
Warning About Driving Thursday: If you get caught in that low level jet near the mountains, you might not be able to see, and even at lower altitudes the driving wind and rain may be tough to overcome. There will be pretty dangerous conditions. I would not expect to be able to get through the notches in the Presidentials either. This will be bad especially in NH and ME.