Has Sugarbush Hired Killington's PR Dept?

[deadheadskier]

I always thought North was the better Spring option, though I can understand the decision to go with south because of the lodging. If they put a Super Star glacier on FIS, I wonder how late they could go.....

 

[ski_resort_observer]

If they put a Super Star glacier on FIS, I wonder how late they could go.....

That's an interesting thought although what do you do about the 2000 vert ft below it that's all dirt and rocks. I guess dowloading two lifts would work but.........:wink:

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I always thought North was the better Spring option, though I can understand the decision to go with south because of the lodging. If they put a Super Star glacier on FIS, I wonder how late they could go.....

This is going a little OT, but IMO North could be the real King of Spring in the East. The trails off the Summit lift all face NE and bottom out at 3000'. Upload/download on the GMX with BBQ and tunes at the Glen House, and you've got all the necessary ingredients. If SB really wanted to, they could be open on FIS and Rim Run into mid-May and beyond every year.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

That's an interesting thought although what do you do about the 2000 vert ft below it that's all dirt and rocks. I guess dowloading two lifts would work but.........:wink:

I know you and Lostone are on a crusade to convince everyone that LP is the better option, but let's keep it factual. Which two lifts would you be referring to? You didn't actually tink he was referring solely to Upper FIS, did you? That's obviously not much of an option.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

I know you and Lostone are on a crusade to convince everyone that LP is the better option, but let's keep it factual. Which two lifts would you be referring to? You didn't actually tink he was referring solely to Upper FIS, did you? That's obviously not much of an option.

I was assuming DHS was referring to Upper FIS.......I don't have to convince anyone that LP is the better spring option businesswise cause it's was is.....I think it's about time you got over it. :wink: Even the slumbering bears know from purely a skiing standpoint it's the better option.

BTW Mr Moderator :wink: means the post was tongue in cheek

That's an interesting thought although what do you do about the 2000 vert ft below it that's all dirt and rocks. I guess dowloading two lifts would work but.........:wink:

 

[kcyanks1]

I was assuming DHS was referring to Upper FIS.......I don't have to convince anyone that LP is the better spring option businesswise cause it's was is.....I think it's about time you got over it. :wink: Even the slumbering bears know from purely a skiing standpoint it's the better option.

I still don't see how downloading 2 lifts would make sense at all. You need to have trails going all the way to the bottom of the Summit Chair otherwise you can't do laps at the top. You download on the GMX.

I agree south is a better option for skiing .. but not for spring skiing, which is the whole point of this off-topic discussion If they want to close mid-to-late April, South is fine. If the goal were to be to stay open into May, South is not the best option.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I was assuming DHS was referring to Upper FIS.......I don't have to convince anyone that LP is the better spring option businesswise cause it's was is.....I think it's about time you got over it. :wink: Even the slumbering bears know from purely a skiing standpoint it's the better option.

I know that LP is just the choice due to business reasons (i.e. Win can't sell condos at LP Village if the skiing is a shuttle bus away instead of out the front door). It's too bad, b/c SV was singing a much different tune when they took over. This is from a FTO article in 2002:

“We’re most likely in the next couple of years going to work on the lift structure over at Mt. Ellen,” explained Andrew Lafrenz, the resort’s communications manager. “The initial plan would be to replace the Green Mountain Quad and the North Ridge Express with a quad that would go up to the Glen House. It’s frustrating from a management [perspective] that we can’t use what is arguably the best spring skiing and early season skiing in the country. In the past here, the snowmaking was over at North for the great early- and late-season skiing. Mt. Ellen was the place to be, and ASC tried to make a shift in that that wasn’t appropriate. We all as locals hike up to upper FIS well into May in a lot of years,” Lafrenz reminisced.

Added emphasis is mine.

 

[deadheadskier]

That's an interesting thought although what do you do about the 2000 vert ft below it that's all dirt and rocks. I guess dowloading two lifts would work but.........:wink:

......but it would only be one lift to download

The elevation advantage, exposure and downloading capabilities really favor north for spring skiing. It could be a progressive situation where as the spring continues on, they first due downloading on the GMX with North Ridge and the summit quad available for skiing. When things get boney on the North Ridge, they could close that and continue to offer riding on the Summit lift. As was also mentioned the Glen House is the perfect outdoor bbq spot for spring days. Hell if they really went of it on FIS, they might able to offer MTB off the GMX AND skiing at the same time in June

I really don't think an argument can be made that South is the better option for Spring outside of appeasing the real estate ownership crowd.

 

[deadheadskier]

Come to think of it.....if I were a condo owner, even then I'd still prefer the spring skiing to be over at north as opposed to right out my front door. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have the best option available to me. I'd be pissed to be skiing slush at the base of LP when I could have sweet corn up top on FIS for weeks longer.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

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I really don't think an argument can be made that South is the better option for Spring outside of appeasing the real estate ownership crowd.

Actually it's also about the new Gatehouse Lodge with F&B and the ski shop, Timbers, Castlerock Pub, the paved parking lot(if you ever helped push out dozens of vehicles stuck in the mud in the parking lots over at ME in the spring you'd understand that one), the list goes on and on.

 

[castlerock]

Actually it's also about the new Gatehouse Lodge with F&B and the ski shop, Timbers, the paved parking lot....

Exactly....None of which has anything to do with the skiing

 

[kcyanks1]

Actually it's also about the new Gatehouse Lodge with F&B and the ski shop, Timbers, Castlerock Pub, the paved parking lot(if you ever helped push out dozens of vehicles stuck in the mud in the parking lots over at ME in the spring you'd understand that one), the list goes on and on.

And even if we grant you every item on your list, none of them have to do with the *skiing* experience, which is the only point that I think Tin, deadheadskier, and I are making (hopefully I'm not mischaracterizing anyone's views here).

 

[deadheadskier]

Actually it's also about the new Gatehouse Lodge with F&B and the ski shop, Timbers, the paved parking lot(if you ever helped push out dozens of vehicles stuck in the mud in the parking lots over at ME in the spring you'd understand that one), the list goes on and on.

....not a single good skiing argument though.

Glen House could cover all that is needed F&B wise during the day, apres outdoors at the base, a temp ski swap type experience could be set up in the North BL. As for the mud.....pave the upper section or two of the lot.

Mind you I have no vested interest in Sugarbush, but purely from an outside perspective, the summit quad at SB has the best spring skiing potential of any lift I've seen in the east. The entire area lies above 3400 feet.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Actually it's also about the new Gatehouse Lodge with F&B and the ski shop, Timbers, Castlerock Pub, the paved parking lot(if you ever helped push out dozens of vehicles stuck in the mud in the parking lots over at ME in the spring you'd understand that one), the list goes on and on.

People would be just as hungry and just as thirsty over at North, they'd just be that way for about a month longer. As for the paved parking lot - foul on SRO. It was only paved last year whereas the switch to LP occured two seasons ago.

Guess I'll just have to wait until the LP base area real estate is fully developed and sold, so the focus can then shift to the new base area at ME with a new base lodge/condo development below the GMX.

 

[deadheadskier]

People would be just as hungry and just as thirsty over at North, they'd just be that way for about a month longer. As for the paved parking lot - foul on SRO. It was only paved last year whereas the switch to LP occured two seasons ago.

Guess I'll just have to wait until the LP base area real estate is fully developed and sold, so the focus can then shift to the new base area at ME with a new base lodge/condo development below the GMX.

Why was I under the impression that Real Estate development was not permitable at North?

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Why was I under the impression that Real Estate development was not permitable at North?

I don't know. They own all or most of the land in that area.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

As for the paved parking lot - foul on SRO. It was only paved last year whereas the switch to LP occured two seasons ago.

Once again you have accused me of misfacts when again it's you who are misinformed. This has turned silly. I already posted that skiingwise ME is the better option in the spring.

Tin - the parking lot at LP was paved when Claybrook was built, fall of 2006.
DHS - you said it was all about the real estate owners. I was merely pointing out that in addition to that it is also about many other business pieces of the resort ay LP. The thousands of day skiers at the Bush on a busy weekend, most are not real estate owners.

Geesh...I'm done here and go have a beer with Riv.

 

[kcyanks1]

I was assuming DHS was referring to Upper FIS.......I don't have to convince anyone that LP is the better spring option businesswise cause it's was is.....I think it's about time you got over it. :wink: Even the slumbering bears know from purely a skiing standpoint it's the better option.

Once again you have accused me of misfacts when again it's you who are misinformed. This has turned silly. I already posted that skiingwise ME is the better option in the spring.

I think some of us (well, I know I did) misread your previous post as saying that "[e]ven the slumbering bears know from purely a skiing standpoint it's [South] the better option." I guess you meant North, which would cancel out the last round of vehement replies Sorry.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

My bad...your right. I did mean ME but since we all know that so I guess I didn't think to put that in.

 

[castlerock]

Castlerock is dumb

Exactly....None of which has anything to do with the skiing

Not exactly, I beg to differ as without the revenue of the LP base, maybe the mountain wouldn't be open till the end of April!