Has Sugarbush Hired Killington's PR Dept?

[Tin Woodsman]

Exactly....None of which has anything to do with the skiing

Not exactly, I beg to differ as without the revenue of the LP base, maybe the mountain wouldn't be open till the end of April!

Que?

They must have gotten to him.

 

[riverc0il]

Alright, I am a big enough man to admit my perceptions and visual interpretation may not be in step with reality. Clearly I need to inspect a little closer as I would be interested in seeing just how much skiable space there is hidden between the trails since they were so successful in deceiving me.

Coming from a skier that cut my teeth on Cannon, I hear you about the whole south of I-89 not getting respected as much as north of I-89. Though I used to, I hold no chip on my shoulder any more about Cannon not being respected as much as many other places. Matter of fact, some days I wish it was even more over looked. Personally, my opinion is Bush is a superior resort "as a whole" compared to Jay and I am not sure how much the Bush really is disrespected compared to its northern neighbors.

 

[castlerock]

Come down with NHski and you'll get the real tour

 

[hardline]

i think i really just boils down to the place you know the best. id probally have fun at the bush chasing some people thru the woods but i would be following not charging. while at stowe i dont really think about where im going i just sorta flow, no real thought involved. i couldn't do that at the bush.

 

[Lostone]

I know you and Lostone are on a crusade to convince everyone that LP is the better option,

I don't say it is a better skiing option for everyone. Just for me. I read above someone saying that even if they had a condo at South, they'd rather ski North. Most actual condo owners at South say otherwise.

As for South not lasting as long, it lasts as long as they want to stay open. North could go longer, but could they make money to make it worthwhile? You say may yes, but all told their business plan says they disagree with you. I'm sure that if you'll guarantee them a profit, they'll be happy to hear what you have to say.

As stated above, Sugarbush feels their facilities at South are far superior. It isn't just Claybrook, but Lincoln Peak Village which includes Claybrook, Timbers, Gatehouse and has much more in the planning stage.

Part of the problem is that many are looking at it as a ski area, while Sugarbush may be looking at it as Sugarbush Resort.

 

[deadheadskier]

I don't say it is a better skiing option for everyone. Just for me. I read above someone saying that even if they had a condo at South, they'd rather ski North. Most actual condo owners at South say otherwise.

As for South not lasting as long, it lasts as long as they want to stay open. North could go longer, but could they make money to make it worthwhile? You say may yes, but all told their business plan says they disagree with you. I'm sure that if you'll guarantee them a profit, they'll be happy to hear what you have to say.

As stated above, Sugarbush feels their facilities at South are far superior. It isn't just Claybrook, but Lincoln Peak Village which includes Claybrook, Timbers, Gatehouse and has much more in the planning stage.

Part of the problem is that many are looking at it as a ski area, while Sugarbush may be looking at it as Sugarbush Resort.

It was me that stated I would rather ski at North during the spring even if I had a condo at South. This is spring we're talking about, not regular season. I'm actually split between the two areas year round.

If South implemented a plan where they ran Heaven's Gate late and downloaded on Super Bravo, that would seem to be a decent option. It also would seemingly be much more expensive in terms of what they would have to cover with snow to achieve this. At North, you blow deep on UFIS and Rim and you're good to go. South you'd have to cover three times the area to do a Heaven's Gate w/ Super Bravo download.

No one is arguing which area has the better 'resort' experience, it is clearly south. North however, clearly offers the better 'ski' experience in the spring. The latter is what would be important to me, but maybe not the majority.

Either way, I'm impressed with Win's commitment to provide a long season when so many other areas close up shop early.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

I don't say it is a better skiing option for everyone. Just for me. I read above someone saying that even if they had a condo at South, they'd rather ski North. Most actual condo owners at South say otherwise.

As for South not lasting as long, it lasts as long as they want to stay open. North could go longer, but could they make money to make it worthwhile? You say may yes, but all told their business plan says they disagree with you. I'm sure that if you'll guarantee them a profit, they'll be happy to hear what you have to say.

As stated above, Sugarbush feels their facilities at South are far superior. It isn't just Claybrook, but Lincoln Peak Village which includes Claybrook, Timbers, Gatehouse and has much more in the planning stage.

Part of the problem is that many are looking at it as a ski area, while Sugarbush may be looking at it as Sugarbush Resort.

I doubt that either of us have seen the numbers, but the question boils down to this: Can they generate enough incremental margin from the ancillary "resort" activities at South to overcome the loss of margin that would be generated by a season extended 2-4 weeks longer at North. Will fewer people stay at CB b/c the skiing is at North? What will be the difference in sales/margins selling burgers and beers in GH Lodge vs. at Glen House? How many fewer people will utilize Timbers? I guess the lunch business, to the extent there is one at that time of year, goes away. But dinner too? Hard to imagine that's going to have much of an impact.