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kingslug

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over 1500 sq feet though...and I need a permit. Once you want to join a ceiling to a wall they want to inspect the walls before ..looking for fire blocking, etc. Opens up a whole can of worms.
My wife likes a wood ceiling..so your doing a floor job ..upside down. OY
 

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over 1500 sq feet though...and I need a permit. Once you want to join a ceiling to a wall they want to inspect the walls before ..looking for fire blocking, etc. Opens up a whole can of worms.
My wife likes a wood ceiling..so your doing a floor job ..upside down. OY

Does this mean you could build the walls 2" from the ceiling & not incur additional expenses?
 

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If you build any type of wall you need a permit. If you enclose the ceiling..you need a permit. Its all about the fire blocking. It prevents fire from traveling to the next floor..pretty much just 2x4 place in locations in the wall at cetain intervals.
 

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This would only be revealed if you sell thr house and they want it inspected and you don't have a co for what you did..or you have a fire..either way your screwed.
 

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If you build any type of wall you need a permit. If you enclose the ceiling..you need a permit. Its all about the fire blocking. It prevents fire from traveling to the next floor..pretty much just 2x4 place in locations in the wall at cetain intervals.

I knew a girl in college who all the bedrooms in her house ended before the ceiling, which I thought was turbo-weird. And it wasn't a hovel, it was a typical American middle-class house. Occasionally while looking at houses on Redfin or Zillow I see this sort of thing as well, which seems extremely unappealing, so I was always curious if it was somehow cutting a cost.
 

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That is weird as it would not eliminate the need to follow code. A living space..is a living space. If something happened..They would be responsible regardless where the wall ended.
People do ..weird shit.
 
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The premise of the fire blocking is that buildings used to be balloon framed. Basically, they'd stand up the walls 2 or 3 stories high, and then nail the floor joists to the face of the studs. Back then, there typically wasn't much, if any, insulation in the walls. If a fire got into the walls from the first floor, the fire would just shoot up the walls, chimney effect. So they started requiring fire blocking at every floor level. So that became part of the building code, despite most people not using balloon framing (though I have seen second floor and the gable above it done balloon style.).

Nowadays, you build the bottom floor, build the first floor walls, set the second floor on top of the top plates of the first floor, a natural fire block.

Now comes the issue of fire blocking for interior walls. Suppose a fire gets inside an interior wall. It goes up, of course. When it gets to the single top plate that most interior walls have, the sheetrock is often placed on the ceiling first, and sheet rock, not being an exact art, often has gaps around the edge. The top of the wall sheetrock, may or may not be tightly fitted to the ceiling sheetrock. As far as what the top of the wall is nailed to, it often runs across the floor framing above, so attached only every 16". It spans the space between the joists with no blocking (structurally) required. Open avenue for fire. That's why they want to see the fire blocking, make sure there are no missing knot holes. They do not rely on sheetrock on the outside of the walls for the fire blocking inside the walls.

So, you can either frame it up good and make it pass muster, or you can sheeterock the ceiling as a single whole ceiling all the way across and have the walls never penetrate the ceiling sheetrock, thus that sheetrock is an effective fire block.
 

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I owned a co op years ago. Got on the board immediately and came home my first night to a huge fire. The fire stated in a small booster pump in the wall and shot up and out across 4 apartments. They had to rip the walls down to stop it...thus..my first lesson in fire blocking.
 

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And in other news..finished 1 bookcase..stained the basement stairs and redid the landing in laminate. Now have to replace my water booster pump with this...etc,etc,etc...actually liking working 3 days a week
 

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And now back to 5 days per week..And 1.5 hours in traffic home, but way better than the plague infested trains. Kind of liked the pandemic schedule. People are still afraid to come in though. My building is still empty. We were going to bring back 20 people to start..no one wants to come. NY real estate is going to change in a very big way. Yet..there is a a lot of construction going on all over. I was wondering about Hudson Yards. Apparently its 90% commercially leased. Wonder if that is going to change. Thats a lot of floor space. My wife's company sold their building and are moving to Jersey...shes lucky, can work from home 90%.
 

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And now back to 5 days per week..And 1.5 hours in traffic home, but way better than the plague infested trains. Kind of liked the pandemic schedule. People are still afraid to come in though. My building is still empty. We were going to bring back 20 people to start..no one wants to come. NY real estate is going to change in a very big way. Yet..there is a a lot of construction going on all over. I was wondering about Hudson Yards. Apparently its 90% commercially leased. Wonder if that is going to change. Thats a lot of floor space. My wife's company sold their building and are moving to Jersey...shes lucky, can work from home 90%.

We returned to work full force over a month ago with a requirement of leave you desk wear a face mask. Most meetings are still conference calls and larger conference rooms have limits on how many can occupy. So far so good! Then again Colorado went into face mask mandate when entering public establishments.


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