Smellytele
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The cooper alliance thing has got a monopoly on the small areas there as well.
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True, but there's already overlap between the Cooper pass and Indy. Black, Snow King, Greek, etc are on both.
KustyTheKlown
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a LOT of bitching about prices and blackouts on stupid ass skiology facebook and equally as stupid ass icecoast reddit. good! to epic with you, stupid droves.
This was one of my favorite comments, apparently weekdays don’t exist in NH and ME.
“Cannon and Saddleback's black out dates are pretty harsh IMO. Kind of a load of shit I have to cough up an extra $100 just to ski during the regular winter there.”
Saddleback and Cannon will be best utilized after the blackout dates end anyway if we have a decent spring next season.
PAabe
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hah I saw those comments on Reddit
With people using so many days off the thing you really can't be surprised when the price increases above $199...
Still cheaper than Vail and a better product once at the mountain
With people using so many days off the thing you really can't be surprised when the price increases above $199...
Still cheaper than Vail and a better product once at the mountain
slatham
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Yes Doug was clear that some areas don't need Indy = they have enough demand already. He also noted the higher ticket price, which is now part of the revenue allocation equation. My guess is if they get a Colorado area it would be away from the Denver metro - Monarch, Purgatory/Durango, Wolf Creek. He also mentioned wanting to add in the "Southwest" and if they added Ski Santa Fe or Angle Fire then that would pair up nicely for a road trip with those 3 Colorado areas. And open up the NM market to buying the Indy Pass.
KustyTheKlown
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he shouldnt have to explain himself in the first place, but its a quite reasonable explanation.
Hey I agree with the stupid ass droves, also the elitist BillO/Zermatt. Well, sort of. For the NE, Indy is well priced. But Fish is killing his midwest market, $300 is too much for those folks. Also, bullshit restrictions like no Sat/Sundays before March 15 is a bunch of crap and tarnishes the brand. I can live with no holidays, but no weekends before March is just ridiculous. I ain't buying.
I think Fish needs more tiers. Like a $200 el cheapo version which covers the MW and the NE backwaters (Swain, Suicide 6, BE). For Jay, Saddleback, Magic you have to go $300. Then a $400 version which kills any and all blackouts. And how about a $500 version which gives you 3 days instead of 2??
skimagic
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Wow, i didn't realize people are up in arms over the increase. The pass is still dirt cheap if you get 8 uses out of it. . Its definitely a win win and if they expand into the southwest beyond Ski Sunrise even more so. Ski Santa Fe would be a major addition. And maybe work a deal with the Coleman group for Pajarito and Purgatory. I can see Sandia Peak joining, but that area is snow challenged. Im already looking forward to INDY 22-23.
slatham
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I too am a bit disappointed in the no Saturday/no weekend blackouts. I would have thought, with the experience with reservation systems this past year, that they'd manage Indy access to those resorts on those days via limited reservation slots.
But I like the price increase because it makes economic sense for all involved which will help the longevity of the Indy Pass.
But I like the price increase because it makes economic sense for all involved which will help the longevity of the Indy Pass.
I didn't read any of those threads/posts until now. Wow. If people don't like the price of this pass, let them go buy day tickets or get a regular season pass somewhere. Even if you only use it 6 days, it is still pays for itself in the northeast market and makes sense if you want to visit the resorts that are part of the pass (not going to comment on other regions as I don't know enough about them).
I'm also a bit amused at some of the complaints about the way the credit works if you didn't use your pass this year. If you didn't use it, you get 80% credit towards next year's pass. It is 80% of what you paid, not 80% of what the new price is. This should not be a surprise, yet apparently some people expected to get MORE credit than the price they actually paid this year in order to account for the price going up.
drjeff
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Maybe all the seeming increase in midweek volume this year also played a role in this change... 
KustyTheKlown
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jay giving a freebie this saturday to indy holders. that's nice.
machski
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I don't get it. If you don't like the blackouts on the base Indy, the Indy+ is only $100 more. That is practically a single day ticket at the larger resorts on this pass. People have lost their minds
And it really isn't that difficult to work around the blackouts even in the northeast. You just need to pay attention and plan a tiny little bit. For example if you want to do trips to VT on the MLK and President's holidays, go to Jay or Bolton where there are no blackouts. Then fit in Magic any other weekend in Jan/Feb. Then save Cannon and Saddleback for late March/early April weekends. And you can throw in some of the other northeast areas here and there and quite easily get good value out of the base level pass even with having to work around blackouts (and getting to still ski holidays using the pass).
I also found it interesting that someone in one of the comments on FB thought Indy Pass should publicly post on their website the exact mathematical formula that is used to determine how the revenue is shared with the resorts. Apparently simply saying "85% of the Indy Pass revenue goes to the resorts" isn't good enough. I wonder if that person goes into a restaurant and expects to see a breakdown of where all the money from the price of each item on the menu goes as well...
KustyTheKlown
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if you live in the midwest and you care about skiing you should probably just move away from the midwest.
this is a beyond fairly priced product. he already has tiers.
drjeff
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Queue up the planning crowd rational points that you accurately make, such as families with kids school schedules to work around where some forethought is a daily way of life, vs the "chase the best snow" spur of the moment crowd who feels slighted by this move debate......
Regardless of the changes, and some people's feelings about them, this is one heck of a deal with some quality resorts all over the country available
abc
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I like the comment from Doug Fish that the Indy pass is for: 1) casual skiers, 2) hard core skiers who already have another pass.
So for this crowd, it's not going to be enough as a stand alone pass. But most people here are talking about pairing it with a mega pass. Now that takes some working around the blackouts.
In the end, the Indy isn't a "season pass" per se. It's really a prepay pass. 2 days in each mountain. If you find enough mountains you want to ski a couple days, it's a good value, FOR YOU.
So for this crowd, it's not going to be enough as a stand alone pass. But most people here are talking about pairing it with a mega pass. Now that takes some working around the blackouts.
In the end, the Indy isn't a "season pass" per se. It's really a prepay pass. 2 days in each mountain. If you find enough mountains you want to ski a couple days, it's a good value, FOR YOU.
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