billski
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Anyone know how Jay's conditions have been recently. esp. woods.
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Jay this next 7 days?
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kingdom-tele
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Conditions are good, plenty of base especially top 2/3 of the mountain, typical jay, melting arond the base, good snow sunday and they have only picked up more since then
woods are still good to go
woods are still good to go
BigJay
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Yep no worries about conditions on the upper mountain stuff... Power line is melted off... a few rocky sections show exposure... but glades were riding sweet this sunday... good snow in the woods. All the machine made snow trails are great...
Bottom of Jay is getting thin... but they work with the snow they have and move it around...
I think Jay will remain open until April 26th by the look of things on stateside.... And i hope to earn turns the first weekend of may with top to bottom riding on the Jet and Haynes.
Bottom of Jay is getting thin... but they work with the snow they have and move it around...
I think Jay will remain open until April 26th by the look of things on stateside.... And i hope to earn turns the first weekend of may with top to bottom riding on the Jet and Haynes.
BigJay
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Speaking of Jay... Anyone else thinks this is a bit ridiculous:
I found it pretty hard to believe that they're also building a water center:
:blink:
I found it pretty hard to believe that they're also building a water center:
:blink:
kingdom-tele
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I agree with the water park being a bit much, but the rink...
as a hockey player currently traveling across the border and to lyndonville to play, jay would be great
the area has needed a viable rink for a while now, they had plans to build in derby at the local rec but funds have depleted
I for one am as excited about the rink as hiking for turns in May, it will be tremendous benefit for the local community if they use it appropriately
I have been really impressed with Jay this year, seems like the change in ownership has really come back to reality and incorporating the community in their plans
I am once again becoming a Jay pass holder after years of supporting Burke
as a hockey player currently traveling across the border and to lyndonville to play, jay would be great
the area has needed a viable rink for a while now, they had plans to build in derby at the local rec but funds have depleted
I for one am as excited about the rink as hiking for turns in May, it will be tremendous benefit for the local community if they use it appropriately
I have been really impressed with Jay this year, seems like the change in ownership has really come back to reality and incorporating the community in their plans
I am once again becoming a Jay pass holder after years of supporting Burke
from_the_NEK
Active member
When do you play in Lyndonville? I play Sunday mornings at 7:00. (then I go sking :grin: )
Sounds like the typical propaganda.....the last time they touted major changes, it took over a decade to see them come true.
BigJay
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I agree the skating rink is great for the community... but how is it good for "Jay Peak SKI resort"?
I know they want to run a 4-season resort... and so far, nothing came up that would benifit the resort during summer... i find it hard to believe that people will escape from Montreal, Boston and NYC to "the great outdoors" of the Northeast Kingdom and then jam themselves inside to take a swim and do some water slides...
Not only that... Jay Peak area is all about the outdoors... Hiking, Mountain biking, Road biking, swimming in lakes, ponds and streams and camping... I have trouble seing how this gigantic indoor swimming pool fits into the picture...
In these days where "green" is the word and people want to find sustainable ways of doing sports and reducing their impacts on the environement, outdoor sports are the fastest growing activity all over north america.
I'd be curious to see a study about the economic impacts of such installations compare to the Long Trail for example... I'm sure the LT brings in more money from day hikers alone then the indoor pool will bring... even 5 years from now.
Just for costs... Hiking and biking trails cost about 5-8k$ per mile... Let's say you want to build a 20mi network of singletrack, it will cost you somewhere between 100-160k$ to build professionnaly... Over the years, it costs about 5-10k$ on maintenance if you get it all done professionnaly... but then, you can get local groups that will give their time to help grow their local network... I'd be curious to know how much money a skating rink costs... I've seen outdoor soccer fields costing around 250-300K just for getting it built... and maintenance costs are way higher then that!
Anyhow... :blink:
I know they want to run a 4-season resort... and so far, nothing came up that would benifit the resort during summer... i find it hard to believe that people will escape from Montreal, Boston and NYC to "the great outdoors" of the Northeast Kingdom and then jam themselves inside to take a swim and do some water slides...
Not only that... Jay Peak area is all about the outdoors... Hiking, Mountain biking, Road biking, swimming in lakes, ponds and streams and camping... I have trouble seing how this gigantic indoor swimming pool fits into the picture...
In these days where "green" is the word and people want to find sustainable ways of doing sports and reducing their impacts on the environement, outdoor sports are the fastest growing activity all over north america.
I'd be curious to see a study about the economic impacts of such installations compare to the Long Trail for example... I'm sure the LT brings in more money from day hikers alone then the indoor pool will bring... even 5 years from now.
Just for costs... Hiking and biking trails cost about 5-8k$ per mile... Let's say you want to build a 20mi network of singletrack, it will cost you somewhere between 100-160k$ to build professionnaly... Over the years, it costs about 5-10k$ on maintenance if you get it all done professionnaly... but then, you can get local groups that will give their time to help grow their local network... I'd be curious to know how much money a skating rink costs... I've seen outdoor soccer fields costing around 250-300K just for getting it built... and maintenance costs are way higher then that!
Anyhow... :blink:
kingdom-tele
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NEK- until this year (baby girl born in november) I was skating sunday and tuesday nights between lyndonville and stanstead, coming from newport center wasn't bad, but jay will be a lot closer
riverc0il
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Having something other than skiing and golf at JPR would certainly go a long way towards making Jay a true four season resort. Having an ice skating option for the family snow bunnies would certainly make Jay a more attractive winter destination. Is it too much? Depends if the people will come or not but I assume JPR has done their market research and is willing to roll the dice on an answer that they expect.
from_the_NEK
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Let's face it, Jay has frequent "questionable weather" days that consist of rain/cold/wind that are responsible for confining your average resort destination family to their condo for the day. That does not help breed repeat business.
Sure, during the winter many of the folks that post on this board would still head out and ski/ride no matter the conditions and a few of us will even hike for turns when all the lifts are on wind hold. Meanwhile Joe and Jill condo family are hanging out in their condo with nothing to do. Giving them a few indoor options during incliment weather would be a huge leap for turning Jay into a destination type resort.
Since the Jay cloud continues working during the non-snow months, this senario plays out in the summer as well. Mtn biking in the rain is not good for the trails and it is not fun to play golf in the rain either. Again, having an indoor option that brings in/retains summer guests is a must when the rather frequent, undesireable, weather prevents guests from enjoying "the great outdoors". If 3 out of the 4 days they spend at Jay are washouts, they can still return home happy with the fact they were able to do something other than sit on the couch in a condo for the majority of their vacation (they can sit on the couch at home).
Now that explains why they are going for these off-the-wall expansion ideas. I never thought of that. The weather is the biggest asset/liability for the place. Add some odd attractions that aren't weather dependent, and voila, you solve the problem and give people a reason to come.
My only skepticism is that in the past they have bragged about expansion plans that take years if not decades to transpire. They've been talking about the "West Bowl" since 2002. Nothing yet. That golf course? Since the 1980's and it was only opened a few years back. Now maybe the problem was that the previous owners were more interested in it as a cash cow and not interested in investing in it. I've heard that suggested before. So maybe now Stenger can make these things happen sooner.....
from_the_NEK
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With the current thread hi-jack, should the title of this thread be changed to "Jay the next 7 years?" :lol:
BigJay
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Yeah, i like the way you put things in perspective... I understant being stuck in winter could be pretty bad for normal families...
I still don't see it in Summer... Plenty of things to do while it rains still... and does it really rain for a few days straight in summer? A typical summer... last year was awful!
And golf was needed 10 years ago when the popularity of golf was growing... now, golf courses aren't doing so great... Stowe as said that their golf course was a mistake and loosing money... I hardly see how Jay can make money off it while being further up North...
But thanks for bringing that point of vue in... I like it!
(still not sold on those type of things...)
I still don't see it in Summer... Plenty of things to do while it rains still... and does it really rain for a few days straight in summer? A typical summer... last year was awful!
And golf was needed 10 years ago when the popularity of golf was growing... now, golf courses aren't doing so great... Stowe as said that their golf course was a mistake and loosing money... I hardly see how Jay can make money off it while being further up North...
But thanks for bringing that point of vue in... I like it!
(still not sold on those type of things...)
I agree....The people up there to mtn bike and golf aren't going to splashing around some water park
riverc0il
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West Bowl has never "seriously" been talked about and by "seriously" I mean time table and allocation of funds. Stenger has specifically noted that West Bowl is off the table until the current resort and bed base build out has been completed. Them guys are smart, they already have ample terrain and are going to increase four season visits before increasing skiable acres, which is last amongst a long list of things Jay "needs".
riverc0il
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The funny thing (marketing wise) is that after the pool goes in... people really WILL ski Jay for the hot tub! 
from_the_NEK
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True... But the rest of their family will enjoy the hell out of it.
But those people are most likely not on a family trip
Just back from America's heartland
Sorry I haven't chimed in here. Actually just spent the past week in Wisconsin meeting with waterpark consultants, architects and the like out at The Dells. Definitely saw more of what we can't become, which is helpful on many levels.
With respect to ice rinks, I'm not sure I share the disconnect that you do Big Jay. While we love our Canadian brothers and sisters, they aren't particularly thrilled with the local hockey programs sharing Stantead's (the rink) ice time. If you live within, roughly, 30 miles-your only choice for ice is to cross the border. Border Hockey, one medium-sized hockey affinity group, pays nearly $100k for ice time to an area that isn't particularly thrilled with their business. I'll note here that we'll be particularly thrilled with that business. If you live within an hour, the options aren't exactly limitless either.
Along with resulting as a resource for our local segment, the rink will be a great shitty-weather, early evening, shoulder season option for camps, leagues and a host of other configurations. To the extent that it doesn't wildly distract from putting out a good and improving mtn product, I'm not sure how that's a philosophical disconnect.
Now the waterpark.
For sure there's a chance for this to get sideways. My involvement in the process has largely been to call foul when we start slipping outside the bounds of who we are and who we claim to be. I think what we found out in WI is that there's an opportunity for this waterpark to have quotes set around it. It can take on the shape of something different. Think adventure options like inside zip lines, standing and surfable waves and an local watershed/educational element, not plastic frogs, sprinkling mushrooms and fiberglass foxes with fishing poles. There's more work to be done here for sure but it isn't being done in a vacuum and, I promise you, we care about the brand of this place as much and more than any resort you currently pay attention to. Folks may not to choose to ski here for a variety reasons (probably all of them good) but that's not a point up for a debate to be honest and I've been on both sides of lots of fences.
And wait until you see the hot tubs.
steve.
Sorry I haven't chimed in here. Actually just spent the past week in Wisconsin meeting with waterpark consultants, architects and the like out at The Dells. Definitely saw more of what we can't become, which is helpful on many levels.
With respect to ice rinks, I'm not sure I share the disconnect that you do Big Jay. While we love our Canadian brothers and sisters, they aren't particularly thrilled with the local hockey programs sharing Stantead's (the rink) ice time. If you live within, roughly, 30 miles-your only choice for ice is to cross the border. Border Hockey, one medium-sized hockey affinity group, pays nearly $100k for ice time to an area that isn't particularly thrilled with their business. I'll note here that we'll be particularly thrilled with that business. If you live within an hour, the options aren't exactly limitless either.
Along with resulting as a resource for our local segment, the rink will be a great shitty-weather, early evening, shoulder season option for camps, leagues and a host of other configurations. To the extent that it doesn't wildly distract from putting out a good and improving mtn product, I'm not sure how that's a philosophical disconnect.
Now the waterpark.
For sure there's a chance for this to get sideways. My involvement in the process has largely been to call foul when we start slipping outside the bounds of who we are and who we claim to be. I think what we found out in WI is that there's an opportunity for this waterpark to have quotes set around it. It can take on the shape of something different. Think adventure options like inside zip lines, standing and surfable waves and an local watershed/educational element, not plastic frogs, sprinkling mushrooms and fiberglass foxes with fishing poles. There's more work to be done here for sure but it isn't being done in a vacuum and, I promise you, we care about the brand of this place as much and more than any resort you currently pay attention to. Folks may not to choose to ski here for a variety reasons (probably all of them good) but that's not a point up for a debate to be honest and I've been on both sides of lots of fences.
And wait until you see the hot tubs.
steve.
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