KBL Damaged/Killington Damage Reports

[WJenness]

Words can not express the anger that boils inside of me every time I hear someone complain that the storm was "overhyped" or "a bust"...

Just because NYC wasn't inundated with flooding doesn't mean the storm wasn't a big deal...

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-w

 

[oakapple]

Words can not express the anger that boils inside of me every time I hear someone complain that the storm was "overhyped" or "a bust"...

Just because NYC wasn't inundated with flooding doesn't mean the storm wasn't a big deal...

Yes, I agree the coverage was far too New York-centric. Part of the reason is that the MSM has a lot of reporters based there, and none of the forecasts suggested that the Catskills or Vermont would get hit as hard as they were.

But the top story above-the-fold at nytimes.com right now says:

As blue skies returned on Monday, a clearer picture of the storm’s devastation emerged, with the gravest consequences stemming from flooding in Vermont and upstate New York.

I think they have caught on.

 

[Watatic Skier]

I hope they can fix it before the ski season. A few years ago something similar happened to the Barker lodge at SR, and that was fixed in a month or so I believe.

 

[SIKSKIER]

Point taken

Obsessed with Threecy much?
it's a little creepy, he didn't even post in this thread

Ya,I guess.I was trying to be wise guy funny.Guess I wasn't.

 

[SkiDork]

Whenever you (or at least me) think "Hurricane" you always think of coastal damage. I never associate it with damage hundreds of miles inland. I learned something new and sobering here.

 

[oakapple]

I hope they can fix it before the ski season.

It looks like a total loss to me, bearing in mind the very short summer construction season in Vermont: that's why the Peak Lodge replacement project is taking two years. For the next couple of months, anyone in the construction trades in Vermont is going to have more work than there is time to get it done. We're two days from the start of September, and Vermont quite frequently sees its first snow in late October.

 

[Geoff]

It looks like a total loss to me, bearing in mind the very short summer construction season in Vermont: that's why the Peak Lodge replacement project is taking two years. For the next couple of months, anyone in the construction trades in Vermont is going to have more work than there is time to get it done. We're two days from the start of September, and Vermont quite frequently sees its first snow in late October.

The KBL is not a "total loss". The original base lodge structure is completely intact. The Mahogany Ridge addition is going to need some serious repairs starting with foundation work on the east side facing Superstar. They could decide it's cheaper to rip it down and start over but they're so short on base lodge square footage at the moment that I'll bet they opt to repair it. It's only the Superstar Pub addition that was destroyed. That's hardly ever open anyways.

KBL is not a mountaintop lodge. It's at 2500 feet. You can drive concrete trucks right up to it. You can pour concrete in October. Killington could use a lot of their own staff to do the work if they wanted to.

 

[Nick]

Yeah down here in MA all i'm still hearing is how overhyped this storm was.

It's like VT isn't even a part of New England to these yahoos. :roll:

 

[WJenness]

Yeah down here in MA all i'm still hearing is how overhyped this storm was.

It's like VT isn't even a part of New England to these yahoos. :roll:

I just had the same argument with some of my friends.

This comic actually made me angry: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/weather

The artist's disclaimer at the bottom only served to enrage me further.

-w

 

[bvibert]

This comic actually made me angry: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/weather

The artist's disclaimer at the bottom only served to enrage me further.

-w

What a dick. Someone should air lift him into the middle of any one of the isolated towns in VT, and leave him there.

CT and MA both came through Irene relatively easily, much better than was expected based on the media coverage leading up to the storm. That was largely because the storm shifted even further to the west than expected.

 

[SkiDork]

not sure you guys "got" that cartoon... nothing really offensive there...

 

[oakapple]

The KBL is not a "total loss". The original base lodge structure is completely intact. The Mahogany Ridge addition is going to need some serious repairs starting with foundation work on the east side facing Superstar. They could decide it's cheaper to rip it down and start over but they're so short on base lodge square footage at the moment that I'll bet they opt to repair it. It's only the Superstar Pub addition that was destroyed. That's hardly ever open anyways.

You took me out of context. What I meant was that the Superstar Pub looks like a total loss, not the whole KBL.

 

[bvibert]

not sure you guys "got" that cartoon... nothing really offensive there...

I "got" the cartoon, and in general tend to agree, it was his disclaimer about Irene being over-hyped and the staff of the weather channel buying themselves new mega-yachts as a result that pissed me off.

 

[skiadikt]

Yeah down here in MA all i'm still hearing is how overhyped this storm was.

It's like VT isn't even a part of New England to these yahoos. :roll:

here's jim cantore's message on the damage in vermont and the "overhyping":

 

[deadheadskier]

I lived in Florida during the summer of 04, and 4 major hurricanes; Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne. I don't think the Irene coverage was any more 'hyped' than what I watched on the news back then.

The primary difference is people in the Northeast are not used to watching hurricane coverage 24-7 on the TV because we don't really ever have hurricanes.

 

[SkiDork]

I "got" the cartoon, and in general tend to agree, it was his disclaimer about Irene being over-hyped and the staff of the weather channel buying themselves new mega-yachts as a result that pissed me off.

oh that I didn't see

 

[WJenness]

I "got" the cartoon, and in general tend to agree, it was his disclaimer about Irene being over-hyped and the staff of the weather channel buying themselves new mega-yachts as a result that pissed me off.

Agreed.

In general, I'm all for poking fun at the weather guys when they get something wrong, which happens from time to time... Nobody is perfect, and weather can do crazy things... However, I felt like the second panel really denigrated anyone who actually had to deal with severe impacts from Irene... (by specifically calling out the forecast of Irene)

People in North Carolina, Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York, Long Island, Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Massachusetts all had SIGNIFICANT impacts from this storm... Yeah, the coverage of the storm was centered around what "could" happen in NYC... Luckily, it didn't... But It could have... Look at the flooding in Newark, NJ... If the storm tracked 15 miles further east, that very well could have been downtown Manhattan.

-w

 

[drjeff]

here's jim cantore's message on the damage in vermont and the "overhyping":

Cantore seriously has led the way in the major media about what Irene did (being a native Vermonter likely had a bit to do with it). If it wasn't for him, my guess is that the Irene stories across the national media would have been more about how Irene wasn't so bad in the major cities, with only minor coverage of the devastation in VT, the Catskills and Western Jersey

 

[St. Bear]

I lived in Florida during the summer of 04, and 4 major hurricanes; Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne. I don't think the Irene coverage was any more 'hyped' than what I watched on the news back then.

The primary difference is people in the Northeast are not used to watching hurricane coverage 24-7 on the TV because we don't really ever have hurricanes.

Agreed.

Also, Irene was deserving of the hype for 2 reasons.
1) The rarity of a northeast hurricane. Before this past weekend, NYC had experienced 5 hurricanes since the late 1800s. NJ hadn't had one make landfall in the state since 1903. This was a signficant event, no matter what the result.
2) The pressure readings and other vital statistics all measured out to a Cat 3 storm, even into NYC, but for whatever reason it didn't materialize. That's very noteworthy, and also serves to explain why the impact was felt so far away from the eye.

 

[bobbutts]

I lived in Florida during the summer of 04, and 4 major hurricanes; Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne. I don't think the Irene coverage was any more 'hyped' than what I watched on the news back then.

The primary difference is people in the Northeast are not used to watching hurricane coverage 24-7 on the TV because we don't really ever have hurricanes.

Me too.. Most people I talked to in Port Charlotte (hit directly) after Charley struck would have liked more hype. Lots of normal people even had to work that day due to businesses ignoring the warnings and too few made many preparations. That's what happens when a storm exceeds the forecast, and it does happen once in awhile.