KBL Damaged/Killington Damage Reports

[Philpug]

You dont know me, or my family. So kindly STFU before you bring them into the equasion. I have yet to make a personal attack on anyone here, especially about their family and friends.

I am not attacking them at all, I am empathizing with them, empathy is something that you might want to consider for the people that had their lives turned upside down. As you say, it is all about personal responsibility. :-?

 

[deadheadskier]

As I mentioned before, this isnt the first natural disaster to hit NE. The ice storm damage was far more widespread, and oh yeah that happened in the dead of winter, where not having shelter is a little more of a problem, and people got by.

Were only a couple days out of this inconvienience, lets not assume every business in VT is going to close up shop.

That's a load of crap. I was in college in Burlington, VT during the ice storm. Pretty much the epicenter of where it all went down.

Some remote areas lost power for weeks, but they didn't have their homes and businesses washed down a river.

The scale of damage from the ice storm wasn't 5% of what VT is seeing right now.

 

[oakapple]

I think before everyone lays over and crys uncle and waits for a bailout, lessons should be learned on personal responsibility.

It's sad but also funny that this clown is lecturing on personal responsibility, because this is precisely what the people of Vermont are exhibiting, probably to an extent he is incapable of imagining.

But that does not mean that they haven't just suffered a once-per-century disaster. That they are responding to it the way they should does not minimize what has occurred.

 

[AdironRider]

Whatever dude, Ive outlined my points with evidence. River Road is already fixed and just needs pavement. OH THE HORROR. It probably still means the end of the world was near and you couldnt do anything about it cause you might get a ding from a rock in your paint.

Again, this happened two days ago. Lets stop with the whole everyones business is no longer existant crap at this point.

 

[oakapple]

Whatever dude, Ive outlined my points with evidence. River Road is already fixed and just needs pavement.

No you haven't. Obviously, in any disaster things are gonna get fixed in some kind of sequence. You would figure that in the first couple of days, something would be done. That would be true whether it were Katrina or a random one-car accident. All you have shown is that they didn't do nothing.

Lets stop with the whole everyones business is no longer existant crap at this point.

Strawman. No one said that.

 

[deadheadskier]

Whatever dude, Ive outlined my points with evidence. River Road is already fixed and just needs pavement. OH THE HORROR. It probably still means the end of the world was near and you couldnt do anything about it cause you might get a ding from a rock in your paint.

Again, this happened two days ago. Lets stop with the whole everyones business is no longer existant crap at this point.

No one said that.

You said that things will be pretty much back to normal in a month or two. That's simply not true. Some communities will take at least a year, possibly several, to return to what they were prior to this. It's been the worst natural disaster in the history of VT, the Catskills region of NY and Western NJ. That's not even accounting all of the ocean front communities further south that got hammered.

4th largest natural disaster in terms of property damage in US history. And you say it's no big deal?

Empathy my man. It's a good character quality to have.

I suppose you think Joplin is back to normal already.

 

[AdironRider]

Fair enough, Ive gone a bit to far, my bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dJPnG9ZMzc

I guess you cant hotlink vids here, but I thought this was a cool way to make the best of things.

 

[hrstrat57]

Just saw video of the o quechee river raging on tv....normally no more than a stream in spots.

Pretty scary stuff.

I love VT esp the Quechee / Woodstock area.

Best wishes to all of my Green Mtn friends impacted by Irene.

I just got my power back on but we dodged a big bullet here. Sorry VT was not so fortunate.....

 

[bigbob]

I live about 10 miles north of Exeter in Lee, NH and went through all the floods he mentioned. It almost got to be routine. From what I have seen on the Internet of the damage in Vt was far worse than what we went through. I think the point he is trying to make is the infrastructure will get rebuilt/repaired over time, people will go on with their lives despite what mother nature has thrown at them. I would call this event a 500 year flood, hopefully it will not repeat in the future. I do reside along a river, but my house is far enough away and uphill so I have not been flooded out, so I cannot imagine loosing everything and not being insured for it.I think the people in our area pulled together and helped each other out and it appears this is also happening in Vt. A town official told me he was told by FEMA we were much more independent than people in other parts of the country were and made their job a lot easier.

 

[HowieT2]

Whatever dude, Ive outlined my points with evidence. River Road is already fixed and just needs pavement. OH THE HORROR. It probably still means the end of the world was near and you couldnt do anything about it cause you might get a ding from a rock in your paint.

Again, this happened two days ago. Lets stop with the whole everyones business is no longer existant crap at this point.

Unfortunately, not only are your opinions offensive, but your facts are demonstrably wrong. First, their were millions, not thousands, of people without power many of whom still don't have. That may not be a big deal to you but it is to many of them. I'm up in Warren and those who aren't cleaning up are ferrying supplies like water, ice, propane, diapers down to Granville, Stockbridge and Rochester. This is 3 days later.
Flood insurance will not cover most of the losses here. Putting aside the homes and businesses directly damaged by the water, there are countless people who aren't working because their employers are out of business. And what about the farms and suppliers to all those closed restaurants?you think they re getting big fat checks from an insurance company. How about the killington business owners if they can't open for ski season?
The damage to infrastructure is massive and will take months to repair. Have you seen what's left of route 4 in mendon? Have you seen windham? Businesses that rely on that infrastructure will close and the lives of the owners and employees will be devastated. And the costs of repairing that damage will be borne by all of us.
Bottom line is the best way to measure the effects of storm is in dollar terms. There is no question that this will be one of the top ten costliest disasters in the history of our country. For anyone to say this is no big deal, is unconscionable and flat out wrong.

 

[Newpylong]

I had the hot water feed to my washing machine burst and run for 2 weeks in my summer place. It was isolated to less than half the house and it was a $10,000 insurance claim. The mold remediation people had to come in in HazMat suits. The floor & subfloor had to be replaced. The walls and insulation had to be ripped out and replaced.

If you have 4 feet of water in the living area of your house, it's a massive project. The kitchen is gone. The heat is gone. Hot water heater is gone. You replace all the appliances. The electrical is gone and you have to mostly rewire. Anything plywood failed so you probably have to re-sheath the sides of the house. If you have flood insurance, it's a $50,000+ bill for a small house and it will often be cheaper to knock it down and start over. If you're not carrying flood insurance, you likely mail the keys to the bank.

I hear ya! and agree...

 

[Newpylong]

So now I have to feel bad for their poor financial planning? Cry me a river.

This isnt the first natural disaster to hit the Northeast. Little kids werent in the streets starving.

Until now I was trying to be polite. You are f-ed up and have lost my respect on this forum.

 

[riverc0il]

disagree

Nothing to disagree with DHS. The storm was not over hyped at all, I agree. What I meant was that if the flooding damage had not occurred, it would have been over hyped. It seemed like it was up until the flooding started to happen which beared out the hype pretty well. I vehemently disagreed with the too much hype issue on NYSkiBlog forums.

 

[riverc0il]

My friend Renee who lives in Wilmington, VT said numerous downtown business owners are looking to move on. It's just not worth it to rebuild their businesses. They didn't make a lot of money in the first place, so they plan on taking their insurance money and finding something else to do. I don't think that town will be the same as before the storm 5 years from now. I hope I'm wrong.

This is what I am wondering... what do the people do? How many people were close to retirement and just cash out? How many people move away? What will downtowns that got flooded out look like? Will VT create incentives to rebuild? Is this going to break the back of many VT towns in a long term perspective? What is the long term effect on communities?

 

[Philpug]

Until now I was trying to be polite. You are f-ed up and have lost my respect on this forum.

:beer:

 

[deadheadskier]

This is what I am wondering... what do the people do? How many people were close to retirement and just cash out? How many people move away? What will downtowns that got flooded out look like? Will VT create incentives to rebuild? Is this going to break the back of many VT towns in a long term perspective? What is the long term effect on communities?

Ultimately, I think it depends on how much equity (if any) these small businesses have in the real estate. From my many years living in Vermont, the small business owning friends I have there and the people I do business with there today, it is quite obvious to me that the value of the actual businesses themselves are worth very little. I'm specifically referring to those types of businesses I have experience with or know people who own them; restaurants and retail.

I've been privy to many restaurant sale transactions in Stowe, the most high brow ski town of them all in Vermont. The businesses sell for basically what the equipment and inventory are worth. I know of plenty of restaurants in that town that did $1M in gross annual sales and the business sold for only 100K. Surely not enough to even dream about retiring on.

I would never dream of trying to own a business in a ski town in VT unless I was in it for the real estate as well. So, the folks in Wilmington who are thinking of bailing either have a lot of equity in the real estate of their businesses and hope the insurance check will allow them to rebuild, sell and move on; or they have a small or zero equity interest in the real estate and are saying, "Screw it, my business is worth practically nothing without the real estate, the loss of income and time it will take to rebuild is just too much, it will probably be easier to move back to flatlands and join the rat race."

 

[millerm277]

@Adironrider - This is 3 minutes of driving on Rt 4 in Mendon.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150265586031582

There is a hell of a lot more damage than most people realize.

 

[twinplanx]

:beer:

+1

 

[RENO]

@Adironrider - This is 3 minutes of driving on Rt 4 in Mendon.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150265586031582

There is a hell of a lot more damage than most people realize.

WOW! That's incredible how much damage was done there!

 

[Highway Star]

Rt.4 Mendon (between Killington and Rutland) is probably the worst and most signifigant washout. From what I understand there are 3 sections washed out to one lane or less, for couple hundred feet or more, to a 15 ft depth or more. This is certainly going to be a problem to repair. There is just not enough fill available on site, they are going to be trucking in dirt for some time.