killington on earning turns

[skiadikt]

killington's drift

from the killington drift:

Our snowmaking crews are working around the clock to build base depths on the upper sections of Killington Peak as we prepare for opening day on Friday, November 16. Currently, we’re making snow on Rime, Reason, Double Dipper, Rim Run and Great Northern as we are working our way down to the K-1 base.
With hundreds of snow guns, high-pressure hoses, snowmobiles, snowcats and heavy equipment moving about the mountain, maintaining a safe working environment for our staff is the number one priority. As a result, we respectfully ask that those seeking to “earn their turns” refrain from doing so until opening day.
We’re planning on offering Blue Square and Black Diamond terrain for opening day accessible by the K-1 Gondola. No Green Circle terrain will be available. All skier/rider services will be available at the K-1 Lodge.

 

[Mark_151]

The new management shows its true face a little more.....

 

[riverc0il]

The new management shows its true face a little more.....

Screw that. Respect the request! If you want to ski this weekend, there are plenty of other places to do so, both lift serviced and not.

 

[JimG.]

Screw that. Respect the request! If you want to ski this weekend, there are plenty of other places to do so, both lift serviced and not.

Agreed.

 

[millerm277]

They don't have the power to actually stop you from hiking/skiing on the mountain, and no one actually cares anyway.

 

[drjeff]

The thread about this over on kzone right now is a really entertaining read. the sense of entitlement that some folks have is unreal!

 

[koreshot]

I don't know what the big deal is. All they are doing is asking people to lay off for a bit so that they can focus on making snow and opening - so that you don't have to hoof it up hill anymore. It is not like they are saying you will be arrested, or you will lose your pass of they will shoot you.

 

[Marc]

Indeed... sounds reasonable to me. Sunday was activity-less in terms of mountain ops. I don't think I'd bother to go with snow guns blowing all over and cats running up and down hill anyway. Not exactly the peaceful mountain environment I look to experience anyway.

 

[dmc]

They should've deleted the threads about it as soon as the topic came up...

It's too popular... Can't operate huge machines and work with pressurize air and water in freezing temps with a ton of people milling about...

 

[JD]

Why would you hike for man made snow? Don't get it. Stay away from where they are working. Only makes sense.

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

No one's ever acused me of being the smartest guy on the planet, but I feel like I'm missing something here. No. I'mnot crazy about what POWDR has done so far. That being said, I don't feel that their approach to this issue is unreasonable. As said above, no threat of arrest, imprisonment, loss of pass, just a request. They most certainly could take a much harder stance.

Do the honorable thing: Honor the request. There's other places to ski.

 

[riverc0il]

The thread about this over on kzone right now is a really entertaining read. the sense of entitlement that some folks have is unreal!

Totally. When you think about it.... earning turns on man made snow could be construed as theft of services. Any one violating a ski area's request to stay away is a problem for the earned turn community. Please be respectful of such requests and don't ruin it for the rest of us. When earning turns at ski areas, I avoid active snow making at all costs whenever possible. If I see resort employees or cats, I go somewhere else.

 

[KevinF]

After reading through the K-Zone thread, I'm kind of in disbelief that there are people who want to ski Killington so badly that they'll hike for man-made crap.

 

[that guy]

I know the ENTITLEMENT that people would want to actually be able to utilize STATE land is an absolute abomination. What a bunch of complainers, I mean the people who are hiking are stealing Killington's snow!!! I don't care if they're staying off of the trails that have snowmaking on them and are skiing the 2-4" of natural snow that fell, Killington OWNS that because they own the land!!

Pay no attention to that state document describing the terms and conditions of the lease, one of which is that the rights of ingress and egress of the general public to the land leased to Killington shall be protected. The nerve of some people is just incredible, they are actually ASKING a company to HONOR the terms of an agreement? An agreement that allows them to operate a business on State land that has the potential for tremendous profit, while contributing very little back to the local community(at least in the interim). The temerity of some people! The state police should be sent out to arrest those folks who are hiking for blatant and willful theft of services

I mean the Vermont statute CLEARLY indicates theft of service is: A person who purposely obtains services which he knows are available only for compensation, by deception or threat, or by false token or other means to avoid payment for the service.

These people are obtaining a service without paying for it!!! They are using deceptive means like hiking to avoid paying the full rate, why just the other day I saw someone threaten a non-existent Killington manager with an ice ax in order to get a ticket that is needed to hike!!!! This weekend these people are obtaining a service for which they should be paying for, and Killington should charge them for it, the fact that Killington doesn't plan to open to charge for such a service is irrelevant to this argument.


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[Marc]

I know the ENTITLEMENT that people would want to actually be able to utilize STATE land is an absolute abomination. What a bunch of complainers, I mean the people who are hiking are stealing Killington's snow!!! I don't care if they're staying off of the trails that have snowmaking on them and are skiing the 2-4" of natural snow that fell, Killington OWNS that because they own the land!!

Pay no attention to that state document describing the terms and conditions of the lease, one of which is that the rights of ingress and egress of the general public to the land leased to Killington shall be protected. The nerve of some people is just incredible, they are actually ASKING a company to HONOR the terms of an agreement? An agreement that allows them to operate a business on State land that has the potential for tremendous profit, while contributing very little back to the local community(at least in the interim). The temerity of some people! The state police should be sent out to arrest those folks who are hiking for blatant and willful theft of services

I mean the Vermont statute CLEARLY indicates theft of service is: A person who purposely obtains services which he knows are available only for compensation, by deception or threat, or by false token or other means to avoid payment for the service.

These people are obtaining a service without paying for it!!! They are using deceptive means like hiking to avoid paying the full rate, why just the other day I saw someone threaten a non-existent Killington manager with an ice ax in order to get a ticket that is needed to hike!!!! This weekend these people are obtaining a service for which they should be paying for, and Killington should charge them for it, the fact that Killington doesn't plan to open to charge for such a service is irrelevant to this argument.


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As much as I like sarcasm, four paragraphs is a bit much.

Steve is a reasonable guy, and a nice guy. If you disagree with him, say so and why respectfully, so we can continue the discussion instead of getting everyone pissed off and getting the thread closed.

So anyway... how long have you been a Sugarloafer?

 

[thetrailboss]

Screw that. Respect the request! If you want to ski this weekend, there are plenty of other places to do so, both lift serviced and not.

Agreed. If you were footing the insurance bill, you'd want the same.

 

[JD]

Makes sense to stay away from the area's they are blowing. If there is natural cover to ski, then I am all for it, and agree completely with your points about access.

 

[drjeff]

I know the ENTITLEMENT that people would want to actually be able to utilize STATE land is an absolute abomination. What a bunch of complainers, I mean the people who are hiking are stealing Killington's snow!!! I don't care if they're staying off of the trails that have snowmaking on them and are skiing the 2-4" of natural snow that fell, Killington OWNS that because they own the land!!

Pay no attention to that state document describing the terms and conditions of the lease, one of which is that the rights of ingress and egress of the general public to the land leased to Killington shall be protected. The nerve of some people is just incredible, they are actually ASKING a company to HONOR the terms of an agreement? An agreement that allows them to operate a business on State land that has the potential for tremendous profit, while contributing very little back to the local community(at least in the interim). The temerity of some people! The state police should be sent out to arrest those folks who are hiking for blatant and willful theft of services

I mean the Vermont statute CLEARLY indicates theft of service is: A person who purposely obtains services which he knows are available only for compensation, by deception or threat, or by false token or other means to avoid payment for the service.

These people are obtaining a service without paying for it!!! They are using deceptive means like hiking to avoid paying the full rate, why just the other day I saw someone threaten a non-existent Killington manager with an ice ax in order to get a ticket that is needed to hike!!!! This weekend these people are obtaining a service for which they should be paying for, and Killington should charge them for it, the fact that Killington doesn't plan to open to charge for such a service is irrelevant to this argument.


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Your sarcasm does wonders to help make my original entitlement point, thanks

And you know what, if you're in the K area and want to earn some turns, why not do them at Pico??

 

[tcharron]

This whole thread got me to thinkin..

Does Killington gank passes for closed trails and the such?

 

[that guy]

Your sarcasm does wonders to help make my original entitlement point, thanks

And you know what, if you're in the K area and want to earn some turns, why not do them at Pico??

If I follow you're logic I can't ski Pico because Powdr has requested that turn earners stay away until opening day

they were not specific to the mountain