Let's see if this has any legs!

[MadMadWorld]

What do you mean then? Advanced snowboarders dont mogul mash.

If you hear the dreaded Scritchshhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound, it's pretty much a given they're not good snowboarders.



Yes, you've said that before in the same thread I was referencing, and you cant base it on that, as you're inserting flawed logic into the calculus. You need to look at it from the standpoint of similar cohorts starting from precisely the same baseline, just like a scientific study would.

You just said that your basing your opinion off observation so how is that any better?

 

[deadheadskier]

I could care less about the skill level or what method some chooses to slide down a trail I'm skiing on, mogul trail or otherwise. Yes I'm aware some styles of snow sliding can damage conditions more quickly than others. As long as they are following the code and not cutting me or others off I really don't care.

Getting upset and supporting policies that restrict access to such skiers or riders is the skiing equivalent of "get off my lawn" IMO. That Alta video at the start of the thread supports that belief.

 

[C-Rex]

You just said that your basing your opinion off observation so how is that any better?

Because it's HIS observation. Forget the fact that he's discounting all the other variables in his "scientific" study. Things like age, general athleticism, experience with activities that parallel skiing/boarding, skill of the instructor, etc.

 

[BenedictGomez]

You just said that your basing your opinion off observation so how is that any better?

Because my observation is exactly how that sort of "study" would be made.

With equal-aged cohorts at precisely the same baseline, getting precisely the same hours of instruction, on precisely the same terrain, for precisely the same number of days. If a true study of such a thing were made, that's exactly how it would be structured. So on this subject, I consider my "observation" to be pretty dang good. The beginning snowboarders were generally substantially more advanced than the beginning skiers in their abilities and terrain-handling when they left. Enough so that you would definitely notice.

 

[MadMadWorld]

Because my observation is exactly how that sort of "study" would be made.

With equal-aged cohorts at precisely the same baseline, getting precisely the same hours of instruction, on precisely the same terrain, for precisely the same number of days. If a true study of such a thing were made, that's exactly how it would be structured. So on this subject, I consider my "observation" to be pretty dang good. The beginning snowboarders were generally substantially more advanced than the beginning skiers in their abilities and terrain-handling when they left. Enough so that you would definitely notice.

I had 8 seasons of observation as a ski instructor and talking with snowboard instructors as well. I taught at 2 mountains that would both be considered learning mountains. A true study on this matter would really be taken with a grain of salt. How do you quantify a person's prgression? It's all subjective.

 

[BenedictGomez]

A true study on this matter would really be taken with a grain of salt. How do you quantify a person's prgression? It's all subjective.

You could do a "true study" on this if you cared, and it could be done qualitatively and quantitatively, not all subjectively.

Regardless, whenever this subject comes up you and C-Rex make this argument. It completely flies in the face of the generally accepted belief that skiing is more difficult to learn than snowboarding. I dont even think we need a Mythbusters episode for this.

Seems like common sense to me that 4 edges are harder to learn to control than 2 edges.

Seems to me like 2 loose legs operating non-independently and the numerous ways this alters and can throw you off axis/balance is harder to initially learn to control and maintain (not to mention the beginning skier nemesis of tip-hooking).

Seems to me that having poles and learning what to do with them is a completely separate skill that exists in one sport that doesnt even exist in the other sport.

I could go on, but the WHY, admittedly is the subjective part. The way I mentioned a study would be run is not.

 

[SnowRock]

What do you mean then? Advanced snowboarders dont mogul mash.

If you hear the dreaded Scritchshhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound, it's pretty much a given they're not good snowboarders.

Snowboarders at all levels will make that sound sometimes. Its because the weight of a rider is only being applied to a single edge versus two in the case of a skier. So while I may agree that bad snowboarders can more easily sideslip for longer periods of time down a hill, I actually disagree that the boards themselves cause more damage, they simply make a different sound because all of the weight is being applied to one edge and its easier to hear therefore skiers assume its moving more snow when its not.

 

[MadMadWorld]

You could do a "true study" on this if you cared, and it could be done qualitatively and quantitatively, not all subjectively.

Regardless, whenever this subject comes up you and C-Rex make this argument. It completely flies in the face of the generally accepted belief that skiing is more difficult to learn than snowboarding. I dont even think we need a Mythbusters episode for this.

Seems like common sense to me that 4 edges are harder to learn to control than 2 edges.

Seems to me like 2 loose legs operating non-independently and the numerous ways this alters and can throw you off axis/balance is harder to initially learn to control and maintain (not to mention the beginning skier nemesis of tip-hooking).

Seems to me that having poles and learning what to do with them is a completely separate skill that exists in one sport that doesnt even exist in the other sport.

I could go on, but the WHY, admittedly is the subjective part. The way I mentioned a study would be run is not.

I think you have me and DHS confused. I actually agreed with you throughout most of this thread but you lost me with this one.

I doubt you can get either a qualitative or quantitative study for the simple fact that skiing and snowboarding are 2 different sports and progression is measured completely different.

 

[C-Rex]

I love flying in the face of things. :razz:

 

[thetrailboss]

So I've deliberated on this one long and hard, and I've only got one thing to say:

 

[twinplanx]

This is still going......

Amazing. This puts the annual MRG threads to shame.

Lol yeah, this thread at least, has legs... Smh

We REALLY need a big dump in the mountains. Coastal storms are a waste :-(

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[bdfreetuna]

I suppose so, but it just gives me a slightly negative "gimmicy" view of Skullcandy now. Then again, I'm not their 17 year old target demo.

I would have thought by naming their brand Skullcandy they were going for the whole gimmicky, slightly negative image in the first place.

 

[snoseek]

Because my observation is exactly how that sort of "study" would be made.

With equal-aged cohorts at precisely the same baseline, getting precisely the same hours of instruction, on precisely the same terrain, for precisely the same number of days. If a true study of such a thing were made, that's exactly how it would be structured. So on this subject, I consider my "observation" to be pretty dang good. The beginning snowboarders were generally substantially more advanced than the beginning skiers in their abilities and terrain-handling when they left. Enough so that you would definitely notice.

Again, a REAL life study: Taos skis the EXACT same now as it did before lifting the ban. That is my observation.

 

[4aprice]

So I've deliberated on this one long and hard, and I've only got one thing to say:

I just believe there is a market for skier only. Snowboarders may not like it but I believe that many who go to Deer Valley go because of it. If that market dies you will see boarders on all of them.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

 

[MadMadWorld]

I just believe there is a market for skier only. Snowboarders may not like it but I believe that many who go to Deer Valley go because of it. If that market dies you will see boarders on all of them.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

People go to Deer Valley because they're self important douches. Talk about a mountain I will never visit.

 

[thetrailboss]

People go to Deer Valley because they're self important douches. Talk about a mountain I will never visit.

Surprisingly that has not been my experience.....

 

[marcski]

People go to Deer Valley because they're self important douches. Talk about a mountain I will never visit.

You seem Mad.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Surprisingly that has not been my experience.....

Surprisingly?

I'd be surprised were it actually like that. Cant wait to get there someday, supposedly the tree skiing is fantastic.

 

[snoseek]

Deer Valley is great skiing IMO. Sure there is a high concentration of wealth but most of those people are fine....and many can't handle the good stuff DV has to offer. I skied Northstar today, same sorta thing. Almost everyone is nice if you're nice first. If they're not then fuck em

 

[BenedictGomez]

Deer Valley is great skiing IMO. Sure there is a high concentration of wealth but most of those people are fine....

Ohhhhh.....we're talking garden-variety anti-wealthy people jealousy stuff?

Now I feel naive, I should have known.