Let's see if this has any legs!

[deadheadskier]

I'm pretty sure the ban at MRG is bigger then Betsy. I am almost positive that the issue regularly comes up at shareholder meetings. So go ahead knuckle-dragers start buying some shares. I'm sure you will make lots of friends...

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It does come up in shareholder meetings. Shareholders have mentioned it in these forums several times over the years. Their right as owners to be dicks and keep voting snowboarders out. There's no good reason to vote that way other than to be a dick.

 

[abc]

It does come up in shareholder meetings. Shareholders have mentioned it in these forums several times over the years. Their right as owners to be dicks and keep voting snowboarders out. There's no good reason to vote that way other than to be a dick.

Dicks who put their wallet on the line!

 

[deadheadskier]

Dicks who put their wallet on the line!

You don't believe there would be share holders who are snowboarders if snowboarding was allowed at MRG? Right..........

I'll say it again, it's their coop and they are entitled to run MRG how they want. I just think anyone who doesn't want to share the slopes with someone because they snowboard is a dick.

 

[twinplanx]

I don't think it's dickish to retain the integrity of the area. First allowing snowboarders, then snowmaking and grooming. Take away all the things that make MRG special and you end up with a cookie-cutter area on it'd way to NELSAP

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[deadheadskier]

Oh so snowboarders take away from the integrity of an area? Nice

 

[MadMadWorld]

Oh so snowboarders take away from the integrity of an area? Nice

I don't think you lose integrity because snowboarders lack it but let me play devil's advocate for a second....You would need to address a number of issues that would result from increased traffic on the mountain....

1. Parking - it's already impossible during vacation and busy weekends.

2. Snowmaking - they would almost certainly need to improve capability on the mountain.

3. Up Hill Capacity - It's already really bad on a powder day and would force them to replace the single. Add in the fact that they would probably need to do something with the unloading area.

 

[twinplanx]

Oh so snowboarders take away from the integrity of an area? Nice

Not any area, just MRG, Alta and Deer Valley. I don't see what the problem is? And I find it offensive when people call these areas dicks for running THERE BUSSINES the way THEY WANT TO.

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[deadheadskier]

I don't think you lose integrity because snowboarders lack it but let me play devil's advocate for a second....You would need to address a number of issues that would result from increased traffic on the mountain....

1. Parking - it's already impossible during vacation and busy weekends.

2. Snowmaking - they would almost certainly need to improve capability on the mountain.

3. Up Hill Capacity - It's already really bad on a powder day and would force them to replace the single. Add in the fact that they would probably need to do something with the unloading area.

If MRG has capacity issues in regards to parking, snowmaking and lift capacity, then determine what the comfortable carrying capacity is of the area and restrict ticket sales to address the issue.
Those are issues independent of how someone chooses to slide downhill.

 

[deadheadskier]

Not any area, just MRG, Alta and Deer Valley. I don't see what the problem is? And I find it offensive when people call these areas dicks for running THERE BUSSINES the way THEY WANT TO.

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It's snobbery. It's skiers thinking that a place is inherently better void of others who choose a different tool to pursue the exact same experience.

 

[twinplanx]

It's snobbery. It's skiers thinking that a place is inherently better void of others who choose a different tool to pursue the exact same experience.

OK. You say tomato, I say potato, let's agree to disagree. I have nothing to say that hasn't been said all ready. We REALLY need some snow. Go Broncos ;-)

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[MadMadWorld]

If MRG has capacity issues in regards to parking, snowmaking and lift capacity, then determine what the comfortable carrying capacity is of the area and restrict ticket sales to address the issue.
Those are issues independent of how someone chooses to slide downhill.

Most of their skiers are passholders so are you possibly going to manage that on any given day? Passholders is what keeps that mountain alive to restrict the pass numbers at the beginning of the season would be a financial blunder. They would have to upgrade a ton of stuff. Even if you keep the single it would be a shit show if they left the unload zone the way it is. That would be work as well.

 

[twinplanx]

I don't think you lose integrity because snowboarders lack it but let me play devil's advocate for a second....You would need to address a number of issues that would result from increased traffic on the mountain....

1. Parking - it's already impossible during vacation and busy weekends.

2. Snowmaking - they would almost certainly need to improve capability on the mountain.

3. Up Hill Capacity - It's already really bad on a powder day and would force them to replace the single. Add in the fact that they would probably need to do something with the unloading area.

I did not intend to imply ALL snowboarders lack integrity. Mad sums it up very nicely. Thank you

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[deadheadskier]

Most of their skiers are passholders so are you possibly going to manage that on any given day? Passholders is what keeps that mountain alive to restrict the pass numbers at the beginning of the season would be a financial blunder. They would have to upgrade a ton of stuff. Even if you keep the single it would be a shit show if they left the unload zone the way it is. That would be work as well.

How do you know any of this would happen? Do you have a Crystal Ball that tells you how allowing snowboarding would affect business levels?

What happened at Taos? How much has their business increased by allowing snowboarding?

I'm sorry, but your argument is pure conjecture, which really amounts to "scare tactics" to defend the status quo.

 

[twinplanx]

How do you know any of this would happen? Do you have a Crystal Ball that tells you how allowing snowboarding would affect business levels?

What happened at Taos? How much has their business increased by allowing snowboarding?

I'm sorry, but your argument is pure conjecture, which really amounts to "scare tactics" to defend the status quo.

So... Your crystal ball says if they allow snowboarding there bottom line WILL improve. I didn't know AZ was so full of Fortune tellers..

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[deadheadskier]

So... Your crystal ball says if they allow snowboarding there bottom line WILL improve. I didn't know AZ was so full of Fortune tellers..

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Never once did I make any claims on business levels, bottom line etc. I never brought up money and never would because I don't know. I don't have a Crystal Ball. AND from my understanding, MRG is doing just fine financially.

My argument is philosophical. Nothing more.

 

[MadMadWorld]

How do you know any of this would happen? Do you have a Crystal Ball that tells you how allowing snowboarding would affect business levels?

What happened at Taos? How much has their business increased by allowing snowboarding?

I'm sorry, but your argument is pure conjecture, which really amounts to "scare tactics" to defend the status quo.

I was a pass holder for 5 years and no many of the board members so I think I have at least a little more insight than the average person. Taos is a completely different animal. They have a hell of a lot better lift capacity and acreage as well as better natural snowfall. Nor are they a Co-op that relies primarily on the income generated from passholders.

How do you presume to know what the intentions are of a complete stranger? I'm for snowboarders at MRG but things infrastructure would need to change and I'm not sure if they can afford it.

 

[twinplanx]

How do you know any of this would happen? Do you have a Crystal Ball that tells you how allowing snowboarding would affect business levels?

What happened at Taos? How much has their business increased by allowing snowboarding?
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Forget much?!?

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[C-Rex]

No one is saying that by allowing snowboarders you have to cater to them. I want to ride at MRG and the last thing I want is for them to change the way they do things. I want to go there because I like natural, ungroomed terrain. There are a lot of snowboarders that don't care about parks and man-made features.
There are not many places where terrain like MRG's can be found. That's why I'm annoyed by the ban. Plus, a lot of my riding partners are skiers. If they decide to go to MRG, or either of the others with bans, I'm assed out. The fact is there's no logical reason to disallow snowboards. They are doing it based on a prejudice against people that snowboard, or at least to cater to people with that prejudice, and anyone who says differently is full of shit.

 

[deadheadskier]

Forget much?!?

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Point out my comment. I'm not too proud to eat my words. If I made an emphatic comment on how much business would improve, I was wrong in doing so. It stands to reason that business would increase some; how much, I don't know.

 

[deadheadskier]

The fact is there's no logical reason to disallow snowboards. They are doing it based on a prejudice against people that snowboard, or at least to cater to people with that prejudice, and anyone who says differently is full of shit.

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