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Magic Mtn will open for 2010-11!

orangegondola

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What does a share get you?

Please don't take below as mean, I am simply being brutally honest. I am a shareholder and a huge proponent of others doing so.

A personal share gets you benefits listed at the following URL but mainly it will allow Magic Mtn to remain open for years to come:

http://www.magicmtn.com/static_page.php?id=41

A group share gets you a bill and the satisfaction that you did something to keep this awsome mountain open.

The share process is less of a GET and more of a GIVE process. The GET part is really sustainability for a non corporate flat boring phenominal ski area.
 

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Please don't take below as mean, I am simply being brutally honest. I am a shareholder and a huge proponent of others doing so.

A personal share gets you benefits listed at the following URL but mainly it will allow Magic Mtn to remain open for years to come:

http://www.magicmtn.com/static_page.php?id=41

A group share gets you a bill and the satisfaction that you did something to keep this awsome mountain open.

The share process is less of a GET and more of a GIVE process. The GET part is really sustainability for a non corporate flat boring phenominal ski area.

Hmmmm...I'm not trying to be mean either, but it seems to me if a ski area has to go begging to stay open maybe, all emotion aside, it shouldn't be open from a business point of view. I'm not hoping that, I want all ski areas to do well, just doesn't look good for Magic's future to me.
 

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Hmmmm...I'm not trying to be mean either, but it seems to me if a ski area has to go begging to stay open maybe, all emotion aside, it shouldn't be open from a business point of view.
There's no reason Magic couldn't draw many times the skiers it does. It's a good mountain with plenty of terrain for all abilities, and very accessible to a large population. It even has expansion possibilities. It just needs time to recover from years of neglect.
 

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Hmmmm...I'm not trying to be mean either, but it seems to me if a ski area has to go begging to stay open maybe, all emotion aside, it shouldn't be open from a business point of view. I'm not hoping that, I want all ski areas to do well, just doesn't look good for Magic's future to me.

We (The skiers of Magic) realize that in today's world of 6 packs, sushi in the lodge, and skiers who average 5 days a year, a mountain that has no amenities or real estate opportunities has no chance of survival.

That being said, a loss of terrain such as Magic's would be a darn shame. I for one don't want to spend my next 30 years skiing the boring soulless nearby resorts. It is nice in life to have alternatives.

Unfortunately the mountain's infrastructure had deteriorated under the prior management faster than it did when the hill was closed. Pushing broken equipment to its limits for 10 years certainly does not build brand loyalty. This caused a decline in skier visits as people were put off by the lack of any snowmaking/grooming and functioning lifts.

When the new management and pass holders sat down to figure out how to keep the place open, we looked at successful similar hills. Mad River's co-op made the most sense and a true co-op was what was originally planned for Magic. We have worked hand in hand with Mad River to arrive at our current business plan.

In the middle of negotiating the purchase, the owner of the mountain passed away. This forced us to go the shareholder route in order to comply with the estate's objectives and put ownership in the hand of the skiers.

Magic should not be in open from a profitable business point of view. That does not mean it should have to close. GM still occasionally sells cars and if you plan to retire, you have probably have an account with Chase or Citi. They shouldn't still be open from a business perspective. We feel we have arrived at the only viable alternative but our ears are open to suggestions.

You can call it begging, we like to call it having a lot of fun skiing and making stupid movies while trying to save our hill. As for my answer when you asked what you get with a share, I answered honestly, a bill. There is really no ROI other than a good time and all cash flow just flows through the snow guns like it did this season.

I will keep begging shamelessly until every last red chair is plucked off the line.
 

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It just needs time to recover from years of neglect.

And unfortunately in the ski area business that requires a SIGNIFICANT amount of capital to recover from the years of neglect. There is a place in this world for ski areas like Magic, thus my support of an AZ share since I can't swing a full single share of my own.

I think given the current state of the economy last seasons looks pretty darn good all things considered and unemployment remains near all time highs. If they can keep the momentum they have a real shot at creating a community that supports the mountain and keeps it active for years to come!

A world without Magic would be a damn shame.
 

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We (The skiers of Magic) realize that in today's world of 6 packs, sushi in the lodge, and skiers who average 5 days a year, a mountain that has no amenities or real estate opportunities has no chance of survival.

That being said, a loss of terrain such as Magic's would be a darn shame. I for one don't want to spend my next 30 years skiing the boring soulless nearby resorts. It is nice in life to have alternatives.

Unfortunately the mountain's infrastructure had deteriorated under the prior management faster than it did when the hill was closed. Pushing broken equipment to its limits for 10 years certainly does not build brand loyalty. This caused a decline in skier visits as people were put off by the lack of any snowmaking/grooming and functioning lifts.

When the new management and pass holders sat down to figure out how to keep the place open, we looked at successful similar hills. Mad River's co-op made the most sense and a true co-op was what was originally planned for Magic. We have worked hand in hand with Mad River to arrive at our current business plan.

In the middle of negotiating the purchase, the owner of the mountain passed away. This forced us to go the shareholder route in order to comply with the estate's objectives and put ownership in the hand of the skiers.

Magic should not be in open from a profitable business point of view. That does not mean it should have to close. GM still occasionally sells cars and if you plan to retire, you have probably have an account with Chase or Citi. They shouldn't still be open from a business perspective. We feel we have arrived at the only viable alternative but our ears are open to suggestions.

You can call it begging, we like to call it having a lot of fun skiing and making stupid movies while trying to save our hill. As for my answer when you asked what you get with a share, I answered honestly, a bill. There is really no ROI other than a good time and all cash flow just flows through the snow guns like it did this season.

I will keep begging shamelessly until every last red chair is plucked off the line.

Good luck...sincerely
 

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Good luck...sincerely

Beast - Thanks for the support can't wait to meet you this upcomming season

Highpeaks - If you make it our way we would be happy to give you an inside tour so that you can see the amount of progress that has actually been made in the last year (And show you some really great skiing)!
 

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Nice meeting you this year Beast & thanks for the kind words & support. Glad you got to see what a special place Magic is. Next year we’ll get you in a movie. We can use a few rippin’ freeheeler’s.

Highpeaks like OG said, come our way & we’ll roll out the Magic carpet for you.
 

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Beast - Thanks for the support can't wait to meet you this upcomming season

Highpeaks - If you make it our way we would be happy to give you an inside tour so that you can see the amount of progress that has actually been made in the last year (And show you some really great skiing)!

Nice meeting you this year Beast & thanks for the kind words & support. Glad you got to see what a special place Magic is. Next year we’ll get you in a movie. We can use a few rippin’ freeheeler’s.

Highpeaks like OG said, come our way & we’ll roll out the Magic carpet for you.

Thanks guys, I might take you up on it next season.
 

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Sorry for the spam but wanted to share this here.

We have relaunched the savemagicvermont.com site as resource for all magic progress and information about the partnership. It is also the place to get all your save magic gear!

Please check it out when you have a moment and don't forget to save your local ski hill!
 

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1) neil
2) 2knees
3) severine
4) TheBEast
5) OSME (holy shit he's back!)
6) wa-loaf
7)Pepperdawg
8)Snafu
9) skifastr
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I'd go to $200 if we cant get 30 people. We could have AZ's Filthy Fifteen.

anything that helps keep this place going.
 
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