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[SkiDog]

I am getting the cheapest lodging which means my skiing+food+lodging comes to $540 for the entire week. The plane ticket is expensive, but this is also my "bar trip." The whole trip will hopefully be not too much over $2000. I am graduating law school now and taking the bar in July. While I will be doing well in the fall, I have a ton of loans, and also have been on a student budget without a regular income. It's tradition to go on big trips before we become slaves working at law firms, and I've been saving to do so.

For me to get away for a weekend in NY, I'd have to rent a car (over $200 for a weekend just for the rental even for a small car, and then I might have a problem of where to put my skis, and that's before any potential additional fees for being under 25 which I was until earlier this week) or take a train. Then there's gas, lodging, and tickets. Since I'd be going with someone else, a lot would be split, but even with great skiing/lodging deals, it adds up, and doing better than $250 for a weekend would probably be a success. So that's $125/day. I'd spend way more money if I were to have skied as much as you did this year than I am on my week to Chile.

Aside from that, what position are you in to "revoke" my "license." You have no idea about my financial status, and since you were a patroller at Magic (unless I'm confusing you with someone else), I suspect you don't live in NYC without a car. I can "bitch" about this season, because during some of the peak months, there was very little base. That has been confirmed by a number of posters here. And that is true regardless of how much money I may or may not have, making your comment (and much of my post responding to your comment), somewhat irrelevant. What is true, is that it very likely is not as easy for me to get away as it is for you, and that given that, I can't take advantage of powder days. I never disputed that this season didn't have powder days. I made it very clear that I judge my seasons by a different standard, one that many people seem to share.

Yo tell em...I agree...while it wasnt the WORST season i've seen, it was hardly the best..but if you want to log the days..maybe becoming a lawyer in VT. , or NH might be the ticket...you know you dont need to be a big time NYC lawyer....

On a side note, I do know a few people in law in Manhattan and I might be able to pass on resumes if you havent landed somewhere yet.

M

 

[thetrailboss]

Yo tell em...I agree...while it wasnt the WORST season i've seen, it was hardly the best..but if you want to log the days..maybe becoming a lawyer in VT. , or NH might be the ticket...you know you dont need to be a big time NYC lawyer....

Naw, he can stay in NYC as far as I am concerned :wink:

 

[thetrailboss]

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[meat]

Except at Jay the pow fell onto rocks everytime it snowed. While this made for pow days, there were still a ton of rocks exposed and the base depths in the trees were pitiful at Smuggs (which got 300" - but a ton of rain too). Overall, this season gets a big thumbs down.

I guess its good that I never skied anywhere else this year other than Jay and surrounding BC. while snowfall for the year was 388" the base was definatly below normal cuz of bountiful rainfall too. I can't complain, their was a decent base in the trees from mid december til mid april and I was still skiing in the trees (above 2500') on the last day of the season on april 22nd. the higher elevations still have a natural snow base today. overall, I would call it a no thumb year, not up or down, medicore

I don't know what it is now, but last week the snow stake on mansfield still had 40", and from what I heard the skiing up there had some great moments, i'm sure JD can vouch. elevation and exposure seemed to take even more of a role this year for finding the goods. I'm sure the meatheads got some good shots in if they had any clue what they were doing.

 

[kcyanks1]

Yo tell em...I agree...while it wasnt the WORST season i've seen, it was hardly the best..but if you want to log the days..maybe becoming a lawyer in VT. , or NH might be the ticket...you know you dont need to be a big time NYC lawyer....

On a side note, I do know a few people in law in Manhattan and I might be able to pass on resumes if you havent landed somewhere yet.

M

Thanks. I do actually have a job (in NYC) in the fall. While the skiing issue is a big downside, I do like it here a lot, and also think it's good for my career to work in a big firm, at least for now. Maybe later in life though it'd be nice to be closer to ski country.

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

Well, Kenny. It sounds like you have higher priorities then skiing.

Believe it or not, I do too, but skiing is still pretty high. I have a job that I really enjoy and a family situation that makes it much more practical to be where I am, as opposed to closer to the slopes. I could have made other choices and average 100+ days, instaed of only 35-50 days per season. My friends that do get in 100+ days a season are generally understanding of this (although they try to get me to convert).

This season had (and still has) some spectacular skiing, even here in the East. When you are focused on something other than skiing (and, if you are in any grad school, Law, Medical, etc., you really should be focused on something other than skiing (hopefully coursework)).

My appologies for striking a nerve. There's been a lot of belly-aching about the conditions this season and for me, it's like a City resident listening to the bridge & tunnel people complain about not having parking for their SUV's.

Best of luck with your career.

 

[kcyanks1]

Well, Kenny. It sounds like you have higher priorities then skiing.

Believe it or not, I do too, but skiing is still pretty high. I have a job that I really enjoy and a family situation that makes it much more practical to be where I am, as opposed to closer to the slopes. I could have made other choices and average 100+ days, instaed of only 35-50 days per season. My friends that do get in 100+ days a season are generally understanding of this (although they try to get me to convert).

This season had (and still has) some spectacular skiing, even here in the East. When you are focused on something other than skiing (and, if you are in any grad school, Law, Medical, etc., you really should be focused on something other than skiing (hopefully coursework)).

My appologies for striking a nerve. There's been a lot of belly-aching about the conditions this season and for me, it's like a City resident listening to the bridge & tunnel people complain about not having parking for their SUV's.

Best of luck with your career.

At this point, yes, my career which hasn't started yet is a higher priority. I won't be able to ski or do anything I like to if I don't have a solid job first. But skiing is very important to me. And none of that reflects on whether I have a right to express my opinion about the season in a thread where others are expression their opinions about the season. It's not like I even called the season terrible. I said I was disappointed with the low base depths and rain during key months. How do my priorities, the amount of money I may or may not have, and whether I am going to Chile determine whether I can express my opinion on how the ski season was for me? The reason I took offense at your post is that I essentially took it as telling me I have no right to express my opinion on this season, because you seemed to assume that I am wealthy and can just spend whatever I need to to go skiing when I want to.

You can't tell from my posts here because it's generally not relevant, but I'm very into statistics and measuring things objectively. If you wanted to prove me wrong, by providing base depths in Jan. and Feb. and showing that they were around or above normal, and providing rain statistics and showing that it rained less than normal, I would be very interested in seeing that. (Of course, it would still be possible that I just chose the bad days, but you would go a long way to proving a whole lot of people here who claim that there was a low base wrong.) But I don't like being told I can't express my opinion based on the amount of money I am alleged to have because I am going on a trip.

Apology accepted, and I'm sorry that as a result of your post I went on a couple of rants. I look forward to more discussions with you in the future.

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

Interesting that you bring up an objective and statistical approach, which highlights part of the difference in views of the season.

While I can appreciate that, for example, base depth is an objective measure, it might be argued that the base depth, on any given day, might have very little to do with the skiing experience that day.

There could be a huge base depth, yet nothing but machine tilled on the surface. Does it matter what the base depth is? (Perhaps, if it's not covering the terrain "features" appropriately. (The obvious example is Magic, which most of the best terrain needs big depths to be skiable.)

The flip side would be a mariginal base depth with fresh pow. I had several outstanding days this season in such a situation. Some of the best days of the season. From an objective standpoint, they don't make the cut.

Is a day with a lot of vertical a good day? 25 laps on Superstar. Not bad. 20,000+ feet. Compare it to a bluebird day, first personal decent in Oakes Gulf, maybe 1800' decent in 10 hours.

14,000' of vertical in virtually untracked snow, all day with a group of 11 and two guides. Nearly all patrollers. Open bowls, nice trees. Can't get better? I had more fun two weeks later with two friends at Jay dodging trees for a day. Much less vertical, much less snow, what's the deal?

Objectively, we could talk about "The season", and say it wasn;t that great. (Although objectively, Mount Washington is having an above average year.) Subjectively, I'm having a great season, even if I am behind in days.

Are you counting the South American trip as "This season" or "Next season"?

 

[kcyanks1]

Interesting that you bring up an objective and statistical approach, which highlights part of the difference in views of the season.

I didn't actually keep any statistics on base depth, I was just saying that I'd be more receptive to that as a reply to my views. My suspicion is that most places had lower than average bases and above average rain, though.

While I can appreciate that, for example, base depth is an objective measure, it might be argued that the base depth, on any given day, might have very little to do with the skiing experience that day.

There could be a huge base depth, yet nothing but machine tilled on the surface. Does it matter what the base depth is? (Perhaps, if it's not covering the terrain "features" appropriately. (The obvious example is Magic, which most of the best terrain needs big depths to be skiable.)

I agree, base only matters to some extent. Some of my best days skiing this year were the days I did get to ski natural snow trails on what was pretty thin cover. But in the case of this season, I think the base was so low that the terrain features were not properly covered. Hence skiing 4 days at Killington in Jan. - Feb. and having all of 1 run on a natural snow trail (Big Dipper) (well, I guess for the sake of honesty we also skied the closed Racer's Edge on natural snow, the first time I ever skied a closed trail) and having lots of bare spots showing through on the run. It was a fun run, but very thin. More snow was needed, as shown by the fact that virtually every other natural snow trail was closed.

I also had 2 days at SB in late Feb where we had lots of new snow. I had a ton of fun, but my skis I'm sure paid for it Castlerock was very thin. Paradise woods were surpisingly good, except for the occasionaly roots/underbrush/small, low sideways trees that I might get stuck in :-(

Coverage-wise, though, my best days were probably late-Dec. at Jay. I just wouldn't expect I'd never have better coverage than I had in Dec, even if it was Jay in Dec. and SB and Killington at other times. It started off promising, and then the rains came.

[The flip side would be a mariginal base depth with fresh pow. I had several outstanding days this season in such a situation. Some of the best days of the season. From an objective standpoint, they don't make the cut.

I agree, if the terrain is adequately covered. Well, I've had fun days when it's not adequately covered. I never said I didn't have good days this year. In fact, more than half of my days might qualify as good, if I hold the first two days (early-to-mid-Dec. to a somewhat lower standard). But 4 were pretty bad (which does not mean I didn't enjoy myself anyways--I was skiing), and those days happened to be in late-Jan and early/mid-Feb.

Is a day with a lot of vertical a good day? 25 laps on Superstar. Not bad. 20,000+ feet. Compare it to a bluebird day, first personal decent in Oakes Gulf, maybe 1800' decent in 10 hours.

I've had 3 fun days skiing only Superstar. They were in mid-to-late May. I enjoy that, and it's good. But if my mid-season days were like that, I'd probably be disappointed. That doesn't mean it wasn't fun, just that I'd expect more.

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Objectively, we could talk about "The season", and say it wasn;t that great. (Although objectively, Mount Washington is having an above average year.) Subjectively, I'm having a great season, even if I am behind in days.

My comments before were a but of both. Subjectively, it wasn't my favorite season, because of the 4 days with disappointing conditions at Killington, and also because I stopped skiing so early in the season. The latter issue is completely subjective; the former is somewhat objective--the conditions were below average because of the low base and high amount of rain.

Are you counting the South American trip as "This season" or "Next season"?

Leaning toward "this season." Maybe I can split it half ways.

 

[riverc0il]

Except at Jay the pow fell onto rocks everytime it snowed.

not when i skied jay. excellent base in december and march on my various trips there. plenty of base in the woods. maybe not as deep as usual for jay, but i certainly wasn't hitting any rocks last week of march or first week of december.

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

Thinking back on our excursion in late March, I think I had to fill one small "sacrifice to the p-tex gods" and that was it. Jay had great coverage.

 

[thetrailboss]

I'll say it again....

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[awf170]

Jay had great coverage.

Agreed. I don't think I hit one rock there march 20, dec 22, or dec 23.



And back on topic. I really need to buy some meathead films...