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Mount Snow Q&A with Management Summary

Newpylong

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For anyone interested I went to the annual passholders Q&A with management today.. I sat in from 10 to 11am and I will outline what was discussed. First of all, I expected a couple employees haphazardly answering a few questions. I couldn’t have been further off. A representative from every department was there ranging from Operations to Food Management. One person was fielding the questions and it really was well run and went smoothly. They were more than receptive to our opinions as well. I am sure I missed a few things but I after a long day I did my best. Anyway, to the details:

The general feeling was that of excitement. While they couldn’t discuss a lot of things because the sale wasn’t final yet; The idea I got was that the management at Mount Snow is a group of hard working individuals that have had their hands tied but have tried their best to do well with what they have had. In general, they seemed to be pumped with the sale, and they said so far Peak Resorts has not marched in gun’s blazing telling them “this is how it’s going to be”. They said the new owners have thus far been very receptive and were interested in what needed to be done to turn the place around.

The initial topic was Season Passes. A poll was taken of who had Bronze/Silver vs. the other passes. They said they wouldn’t know prices until the sale to Peak’s went through but they asked what we looked for most. Common answers were: a similar pass to the Bronze All4one with blackout dates, a midweek pass, and also a senior pass. Some looked for multimountain passes, other said a Mount Snow only is fine. There was also a little talk about passholder benefits such as food discounts, etc. We will know more in April.

The most talked about topic by far was on-hill improvements. They said so far Peak Resorts has said Snowmaking is going to be priority #1. They want to go through with the Somerset connection. They want to get as close to 100% capabilities on the mountain as possible. Also, we were told they were big on fan gun technology. The head of Mountain Ops liked this because he said they tested one out this year and he is impressed at how much terrain they can cover. He said look in the future for them on trails such as Snowdance, Standard and South Bowl when the water problem is solved. Look for snowmaking to be installed on Big and Little Dipper in the Sunbrook area first.

As for lifts: (Keep in mind these are just ideas and tentative to change or never happen). They said the priority of Peak’s is getting people out of the base area as it is always crowded. But they really STRESSED that this would not happen before more snow could be made. Once the snowmaking is increased, the Grand Summit Express will be replaced possibly with a 6-Pack. They seemed to be keen on a Gondola at some point but said the summit is susceptible to bad winds, and so are gondolas, so one’s placement would have to be looked at very closely. Once a main face lift is installed they said look for lift replacements on Sunbrook and North Face. They said for next year half of the chairs would be removed from the Sunbrook Quad to increase line speed. They think this is the most effective thing to do as only one run (Thank’s Walt) has snowmaking right now over there, so a high-speed lift would flood the area before more snowmaking can be added.

The topic of Terrain Parks was very heated. They were supposed to turn Nitro into a park this year, but due to the crap winter they did not. Everyone at the meeting (no boarders that I saw) expressed grave concern with the placement of the park on the only trail off the top of Carinthia for cruising that had snowmaking. I told them that if next year if this park will be built, they better think long and hard about getting snowmaking on Upper Titanium. The head of Mountain Ops seemed very keen on this… Also, they said they have a whole summer to discuss and nothing is in stone yet for next year so they will take everything under consideration. No one had a problem with another trail for parks (we were given back Stugger’s and Fairway), but the choice of Nitro was def. an issue.

The last discussion was about secondary lift’s on weekends. A fellow behind me was pretty irate that on busy days lately Sundance and Ego lift’s were either slow to open or not at all. We were told this was not a money thing (every lift was provisioned to run on the weekend), but a staffing issue. They said when the winter was bad a lot of staff members just left because they weren’t getting that many hours. This forced management to go out and either work lift’s or scan ticket so others could work lifts. We stressed that Sundance was needed every weekend when that section of the mountain was open as it alleviated pressure from the base. Guy from Mountain Ops said first lift to not run without enough staff is Ego, then Sundance, then Heavy Metal. We thought it was weird that Metal ran ahead of Sundance, but he said when Nitro is jammed you’re kinda out of options over there. He said next year things would hopefully be better, and maybe the Sundance lift eventually would be replaced when snowmaking is added over there.

Also, in the future base lodge improvements are on the list.

Before I left we all thanked them for such a good job they have done this year all things considering (lack of snow and money) and made it a wish that everyone stays employed by the new owners.

Anyway, I hope this was an interesting read.
 

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Yes, you're absolutely right. Maybe I should have stressed that more. We should not look to drive up to a different mountain next year on opening day. Things will happen in phases as money, manpower, and permits become available. But, after almost a decade of stagnation here it is great to see things moving forward.
 

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Great read. Thanks for writing that up...I love reading about the corporate changes at area mountains. I think Peak Resorts will treat them well down there but that's just from what I've heard from others in the ski industry.
 

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I was also at the meeting and you really did cover everything that was discussed Newpylong. Great write up!
Mount Snow management did seem like a very experienced and competent group, especially Gary the Director of Mountain operations; he came here from years at Killington. All of the representatives seem very excited about getting out from ASC grasp. Hopefully Peaks will keep them.
Overall it was a great meeting and management seems to be concerned about all of the same things we are. Let's hope Peak Resorts gives them the resources to do their jobs; something ASC hasn't done in over a decade.
 

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This is good to hear. Even though I was not able to get out skiing at all this year (new job and wedding in May) I miss the old Mount Snow, ASC destroyed that place and made it into a commercial sort of McMountain. There is no charm left there and the last time I went in 2005 it was just plain old nasty to look at the buildings and lifts. Sanford and Son would have felt right at home..
 

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Definitely an interesting read...was anyone there directly from the new ownership or was it only existing Mt. Snow Mgt.

I heard some other rumors...which, of course, could be just rumor..but I heard...that they'd like to put a high speed lift of somesort over at Sundance....taking out the sundance triple. If you think about this, it actually makes sense. This would take some pressure off the summit canyon quad areas and lifts. The runs off the top of sundance are great blue cruisers, ie. ridge, uncles, more people would ski over in that area. The one draw back would be that it really wouldn't be that easy to get directly over to the north face, since the existing sundance chairline doesn't go all the way to the summit. Anyway, just food for thought!
 

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Marcski, no one there was from Peaks. I am sure this is because the sale isn't final yet. Hopefully all of the people that were there stay, because it was clear the success of the mountain was in their hearts, and they just want their hands untied.

The Sundance triple was mentioned briefly about replacement... I agree that I think this would be a great place for a new lift... but as mentioned in my thing, it would depend on snowmaking upgrades (Uncles, Hop, etc.). It wouldn't make sense to dump all those people up there with just Deer Run and Ridge for options... But get some more pipes in that area and you really have a great little trail pod.
 

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I love uncles as a natural snow trail. It stays much softer throughout the winter. But, snowmaking is, of course, a very good thing. More efficient guns, pumps etc..but, I think more importantly, they should be finally able to just reinvest their operating revenue back into the mtnwith both capital improvements as well as operating costs..ie. more snowmaking hours.
 

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Yeah I agree. I am all for more snowmaking, but one issue I had is with 100% snowmaking, perhaps some of the nice nat. runs are going to go away? I had a talk with the guy from Mountain Ops, and luckily for us some runs just aren't feasible for snowmaking such as Jaws of Death, Ledge, Upper Choke, etc. So while they may claim 100% snowmaking in the future, some trails will remain untouched : )
 
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