MRG - What about snowboarders?

[Skibum_dan]

wow.

 

[Skibum_dan]

hmmmmmm stero types are stereo types for a reason. good logic......
Lets see how popular of an idea it would be to have the south re-introduce segregation.....you know....not everywhere...just in the south. It would be ok it was just in the south.....

 

[JimG.]

In my experience I have scene a lot of assholes out on the hill, and most of them were teenagers on snowboards.

Hmmm...I started skiing long before there were snowboards. There seemed to be just as many assholes then as there are now. Guess what? Most of them were teenagers on skis.
And I'm sure there were times when I was one of them.

So instead of adding the word "snowboard" or "skis", let's just stop at teenagers. Because that's what you're really saying.

And before I get a flood of hate mail, I'm not saying that all teenagers are assholes either.

 

[dmc]

Something I have noticed on this forum is the number of people trying to disprove the stereo-types about snowboarders. IMO, some snowboarders are assholes, and some skiers are assholes. However I believe that stereo-types are not just made up, there is usually some truth behind stereo-types. In my experience I have scene a lot of assholes out on the hill, and most of them were teenagers on snowboards. Things have changed in the past few years, but it will take a long time before snowboarders can remove the nasty stain on their image. The general public still views snowboarders the same way they view skateboarding, as a bunch of puck ass teenagers. So far I haven't noticed the snowboarding community trying to change peoples minds about this.

You haven't experienced much have you... Of maybe your ignorance blinds you to the fact that snowboarding is maturing and many of us are not punk ass teens..

Remember the old saying - there are none so blind as those who refuse to see..

But - maybe your acerbic comments are just lame rantings...

 

[Nosedive]

hmmmmmm stero types are stereo types for a reason. good logic......
Lets see how popular of an idea it would be to have the south re-introduce segregation.....you know....not everywhere...just in the south. It would be ok it was just in the south.....

This is what happens when people take a simple statement and blow it out of proportion. Snowboarders have a bad stereo-type, and my point is that the snowboarding community needs to unite in way so that they can disprove what people think about them. In no way do I support the stereo-type about snowboarders, I was just pointing out that there is a reason snowboarders are stereotyped.
Anyways, segregation was the result of something far worse than stero-types. Segregation was the result of the belief that white people were physically superior. A stereotype is just a generalized image of a group of people. Stereotypes are bad, but racism is far worse.

 

[dmc]

hmmmmmm stero types are stereo types for a reason. good logic......
Lets see how popular of an idea it would be to have the south re-introduce segregation.....you know....not everywhere...just in the south. It would be ok it was just in the south.....

 

[dmc]

Snowboarders have a bad stereo-type, and my point is that the snowboarding community needs to unite in way so that they can disprove what people think about them.

Or maybe you just need to open your eyes and see the good in it...
Stereotypes are not a real thing.. They are what you percieve.. And you perception is skewed...

I'll continue to be cool and treat others with respct.. But I'm not going to bow down to asswipes that continue some stupid sterotype

 

[Nosedive]

Hmmm...I started skiing long before there were snowboards. There seemed to be just as many assholes then as there are now. Guess what? Most of them were teenagers on skis.
And I'm sure there were times when I was one of them.

So instead of adding the word "snowboard" or "skis", let's just stop at teenagers. Because that's what you're really saying.

And before I get a flood of hate mail, I'm not saying that all teenagers are assholes either.

You are absolutly right, it is teenagers in general. Since I have only been a skier for about 9 years(and the majority of those years are as a teenager), most of the teenagers I see on the hill are on snowboards. Not all teenagers are assholes, but from personal experience I think that most of the assholes out on the hill are teenagers. Yes, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, and ages, but most of them are probably teenagers. Everyone knows that for the past 25 years or so the common trend for teenagers was to snowboard. Believe me when I say that I have a better understanding of teenagers than most of you reading this forum, since I myself am only a freshman in college.
I get the feeling that some of you reading this forum would think that I am an asshole too, but I guarantee you that I am not. Remember that when you read my post if it angers you, or makes you think that I am an asshole, then you definatly misunderstood what I wrote.

 

[dmc]

You are absolutly right, it is teenagers in general. Since I have only been a skier for about 9 years(and the majority of those years are as a teenager), most of the teenagers I see on the hill are on snowboards. Not all teenagers are assholes, but from personal experience I think that most of the assholes out on the hill are teenagers. Yes, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, and ages, but most of them are probably teenagers. Everyone knows that for the past 25 years or so the common trend for teenagers was to snowboard. Believe me when I say that I have a better understanding of teenagers than most of you reading this forum, since I myself am only a freshman in college.
I get the feeling that some of you reading this forum would think that I am an asshole too, but I guarantee you that I am not. Remember that when you read my post if it angers you, or makes you think that I am an asshole, then you definatly misunderstood what I wrote.

Asshole... No...
Ignorant kid... Probably...

Second chance from the grey haired snowboarder... sure - why not.....

 

[Nosedive]

You haven't experienced much have you... Of maybe your ignorance blinds you to the fact that snowboarding is maturing and many of us are not punk ass teens..

Remember the old saying - there are none so blind as those who refuse to see..

But - maybe your acerbic comments are just lame rantings...

I have my fair share of experiences, one of the most notable was when an skier cut me off, caused me to lose balance and the proceeded to yell at me like I did something wrong. I'm not trying to say that skiers are not assholes. When I think someone is an asshole, it is because of their actions, not because what is under their feet. So, in my experience most of the assholes I encountered were teenagers my own age that just happened to be on snowboards. I still have best friends that snowboard, and they know that I dont care about their decision to snowboard instead of ski. Unfortunatly I get the feeling though that this thread is dwelling on the few bad apples that we have experienced. In general we all know that no matter what is under out feet, we are out there because it is fun, and we dont have to deal with a lot of assholes.

I agree with you that snowboarding is maturing, and there are not as many punk ass teens, but you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the general public stereotypes snowboarders as a bunch of punk ass teens, just like they do with skateboarding. I think what snowboarding needs is people like you, who are not immature teenagers, to change the image of the sport.

 

[dmc]

I agree with you that snowboarding is maturing, and there are not as many punk ass teens, but you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the general public stereotypes snowboarders as a bunch of punk ass teens, just like they do with skateboarding. I think what snowboarding needs is people like you, who are not immature teenagers, to change the image of the sport.

There's lots of of us mellow snowboarders out there - I personally know a ton..
You just seem notice the ones that are jerks... Take the time to look and see you'll see tons of mellow riders out there just enjoying the day..

http://graysontrays.com/

 

[Skibum_dan]

I'm not a teenager, but it doesn't seem that long ago. (25 years old) I would tend to disagree with the statement that most teenagers ride, or that most of the riders you see on the mountain are teenagers. Many of the ski-patrollers now-a-days are grey bearded guys with beer bellies. Go to a terrain park some time with a clip board and tally up how many teenage skiers you see. Go to the race slope and see how many teenage racatron 5000's you see out there making mommy and daddy proud....well unless they lose of course.
The important thing to remember is that there are A-holes and there are respectful people on the slopes and they come with a variety of toys. Last season I saw a rider get taken out by a racer who was bombing through a trail intersection. Does that mean every racer is a wreckless speed demon who simply can't fight the urge to keep the race on the race hill.....no.

 

[Skibum_dan]

I gotta proof read more. The gray bearded guys on the ski-patrol I was talking about are riders.....oops.

 

[dmc]

I gotta proof read more. The gray bearded guys on the ski-patrol I was talking about are riders.....oops.

I know a bunch of riders that ski patrol.. It has it's benefits and drawbacks..

You left out the gut part

 

[ctenidae]

Not all teenagers are assholes.
Not all boarders are assholes.
Not all skiers are assholes.

That said, anyone in front of me in a lift line, or on the slope, or near the line I want to take, or skiing faster (or slower) than me, or hitting powder before I get to it, or parking closer to the lodge, or taking up locker/rack/table space, or anything else, is, by definition, an asshole.

 

[dmc]

anyone in front of me in a lift line, or on the slope, or near the line I want to take, or skiing faster than me, or hitting powder before I get to it, is, by definition, an asshole.

hmmm... that sounds like me!

 

[dmc]

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pb...1203/SPORTS/412030703&SearchID=73237519224037


"One-third of snowboarders are between the ages of 18 to 24, but now more than one-third are age 25 to 44, according to BBC research and consulting, a Denver-based firm. Five percent are older than 45, according to the Denver Business Journal."

 

[Skibum_dan]

Ha. true true. I've got many rider friends, but on a powder day, they're just one more A-hole trying to get the freshies first.

 

[David Metsky]

You just seem notice the ones that are jerks... Take the time to look and see you'll see tons of mellow riders out there just enjoying the day..

Please read what he's saying. You two are in violent agreement right now. You both know (and all of us know) that the majority of snowboarders are well behaved. But public perception of snowboarders is mired back in the 80's when the majority of boarders were teenagers. As teenagers, they behaved like teenagers, and were often obnoxious. I think we all agree that would be the case no matter what was on their feet.

So, like with mountain bikers, skateboarders, surfers, video gamers, and motorcyclists before them, the public perception of boarders lags behind the change in demographics. It may take time for the general public to think other than "punk kids" when they think of snowboarders. Public education and organized groups or mature riders will speed that along.

Having said all that, I don't think it will change the ban at MRG. The shareholders aren't interested in changing the status quo. All the logic in the world won't change that.

I still think a group of us boarders should hike up right under the single one day this winter and show em what a bunch of good riders can do. Whos with me?

Actually, they request that you take the snowshoe trail up the mountain if you are on foot. A large group hiking up the ski trails wouldn't be appreciated and would be a safety hazard. But if you did it I'm pretty confident that no one would bother you and the skiers would probably salute your efforts. But it's not going to change any minds that matter.

 

[Nosedive]

There's lots of of us mellow snowboarders out there - I personally know a ton..
You just seem notice the ones that are jerks... Take the time to look and see you'll see tons of mellow riders out there just enjoying the day..

http://graysontrays.com/

Obviously jerks can be more noticble by their actions, but I agree that their are plenty of older and mellow boarders out there. After all skiers and snowboarders are out on the hill for the same reason-to have fun. I even remember the "Gray on Tray" that helped my friend when he got hurt boarding on the first run of the day. I guess the point I am trying to prove is that people outside of snowsports dont really understand snowboarding. I bet a lot of people that do not ski or board have a misunderstanding of the sport. When they think of snowboarding the probably think of Shaun White form the olympics (no, I am not saying shaun white is a jerk b/c I have never met him so that would be unfair). When they see a teenager like Shaun White with his long hair and baggy pants in the Olympics, it unfortunately stereo-types the sport. The times have changed, boarders and skiers can get along now but there will always be those skiers who resist change. Its those skiers who also happen to own shares at MRG.

I would like to buy a share at MRG someday, and if I ever do I would vote agaisnt the ban. I know in earlier post I said that I support the ban, but really I just support the co-op and the rights of the shareholders. I would rather have a co-op that bans boarders than another privately owned ski resort being turned into a big mega-resort.