Not guilty

[Stephen]

Michael Jackson found not guilty. Reactions here.

-Stephen

 

[BeanoNYC]

I'm still at a loss for words. I have lost all faith in the justice system....more to follow when I gain my composure.

 

[awf170]

I'm still at a loss for words. I have lost all faith in the justice system....more to follow when I gain my composure.

alright its final im am now going to move to canada... jk, but i cant believe he got off on everything... wow you guys see all those weirdos waiting for him to come out and cheering for him, some one needs to get a life :roll:

 

[riverc0il]

c'mon guys. we know MJ is a wacko, but remember the burden of proof in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt." add to that burden or proof the need to get a group of "peers" (if such a thing exists in such superstar cases) to all agree to that verbage on any one count and it's pretty difficult to convict. just like the juice, everyone knew he was guilty of "something" - but that isn't enough to convict in the court of law. honestly, i didn't even follow this case... superstar legal battles are f'd up television spectaculars that are more about selling ad space and movie rights than justice. but that's the way the system works, though it hardly works right in these types of celebrity cases.

how about opinion from our resident legal expert, thetrailboss?

 

[Stephen]

I'm still at a loss for words. I have lost all faith in the justice system....more to follow when I gain my composure.

Yup. Let's elect more liberal judges.

jk, but i cant believe he got off on everything...

Not going there.

I believe the jury came up with the best response they could to the evidence given them. There IS reasonable doubt, just (apparently, but not sure _I_ see it) with OJ.

Again, this was a match bewteen broken prosecution and slick defense. The defense won.

-Stephen

 

[smitty77]

I can't believe he got off on the misdemeanor for providing alcohol to minors. I figured they would at least get him for that. IMHO it all adds up to him being a first class pedophile, but throw in whitnesses that have credibility issues and the freak walks. It's too bad because he will do it again. Perverts like this have a disease, and they don't stop until we put them away.

Of course the parents of this poor kid are to blame as well. Juror #3 had it right when she said something to the effect of "How can any parent let their child sleep in a stange man's bed?", or something like that. From now on, any parent that brings their kids to Neverland Ranch should be slapped with their own child endangerment charge.

Fortunately we live in a country that does the best it can at keeping innocent citizens out of prison. The problem is some of the guilty ones are also allowed to roam free.

 

[dmc]

I didnt trust the accusers from the start..
And niether did the jury..

And thats how justice works...

I don't neccessarily believe that he did it.. I think he's a freaky Peter Pan dude that still thinks he's a little kid... And since he's so child like people want to take him to the cleaners...

Bitch all you want - accuse all you want.. He's free.. The people have spoken...

 

[thetrailboss]

c'mon guys. we know MJ is a wacko, but remember the burden of proof in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt." add to that burden or proof the need to get a group of "peers" (if such a thing exists in such superstar cases) to all agree to that verbage on any one count and it's pretty difficult to convict. just like the juice, everyone knew he was guilty of "something" - but that isn't enough to convict in the court of law. honestly, i didn't even follow this case... superstar legal battles are f'd up television spectaculars that are more about selling ad space and movie rights than justice. but that's the way the system works, though it hardly works right in these types of celebrity cases.

how about opinion from our resident legal expert, thetrailboss?

I concur with you, riverc0il. The prosecution did not really build a solid case..they should not have relied so much upon a questionable witness.

I have avoided this case like the plague. The mass hysteria complete with doves was just too much :roll:

In legal terms, the only folks who saw all of the evidence and all of the facts were the jury...and as you said, riverc0il, they still found a reasonable doubt. That's all a defense has to do...create some doubt, and they did. Did Jacko do something? Quite possibly. At this time though the jury did not find the witnesses credible enough.

And by the way Stephen, that "liberal judge" did not render this verdict...as any good American who passed civics would know, a jury "consisting of ones peers" made the decision :wink: Again, simply chastising the judicial branch will not improve anything. :roll:

 

[dmc]

And by the way Stephen, that "liberal judge" did not render this verdict...as any good American would know, the jury made the decision :wink: Again, simply chastising the judicial branch will not improve anything. :wink:

Thank you..

I suppose somehow it's Clintons fault now...

 

[ctenidae]

One of the jurors aid they thought he had probably done something, but they didn't see evidence proving he'd done exactly what he was charged with.

That being said, I paid even less attention to this one than I did to OJ, which is tough, because I was in Ecuador for most of the OJ saga.

 

[dmc]

One of the jurors aid they thought he had probably done something, but they didn't see evidence proving he'd done exactly what he was charged with.

That being said, I paid even less attention to this one than I did to OJ, which is tough, because I was in Ecuador for most of the OJ saga.

He's guilty of being a childlike freak - attempting to live out a childhood he never had.....

 

[JimG.]

I didnt trust the accusers from the start..
And niether did the jury..

And thats how justice works...

I don't neccessarily believe that he did it.. I think he's a freaky Peter Pan dude that still thinks he's a little kid... And since he's so child like people want to take him to the cleaners...

Bitch all you want - accuse all you want.. He's free.. The people have spoken...

Totally agree...if he had grabbed the kid off the street I'd say he should have been put away, but these parents not only allowed the kids to stay with him, they stayed there too!

He's a middle aged superstar who never had any childhood of his own, and his little sleepovers are his way of trying to have one. Doesn't prove he molested anyone.

 

[Greg]

He's guilty of being a childlike freak - attempting to live out a childhood he never had.....

Bold statement of "fact" considering you (1) don't know him personally (2) were not in that courtroom for the trial. Similarly I don't know all of the details and evidence surrounding this particular case, but my feeling is MJ should be considered not guilty rather than innocent.

 

[dmc]

He's guilty of being a childlike freak - attempting to live out a childhood he never had.....

Bold statement of "fact" considering you (1) don't know him personally (2) were not in that courtroom for the trial. Similarly I don't know all of the details and evidence surrounding this particular case, but my feeling is MJ should be considered not guilty rather than innocent.

Just my opinion based upon the barrage of stuff about him in the media..
I have no idea what happens inside that freak show he calls Neverland...

I'd rather believe he doesnt molest kids.. I pray he didn't molest kids...

 

[SkiDog]

All I know is i'm not letting any one of those jurors babysit my kids... apparently they all think its ok for an ADULT male to sleep in the same bed as a teen/pre-teen BOY. I don't care if its your own kid, thats wrong.

Oh yeah...and why bother with an alcohol age limit, just give all the kids "jesus juice".

M

 

[dmc]

All I know is i'm not letting any one of those jurors babysit my kids... apparently they all think its ok for an ADULT male to sleep in the same bed as a teen/pre-teen BOY. I don't care if its your own kid, thats wrong.

Oh yeah...and why bother with an alcohol age limit, just give all the kids "jesus juice".

M

Actually during the interview.. a juror said she and a few others on the jury - would NEVER let their kids sleep with an adult...
They DON't think it's OK... But it isn't against the law...
What matters to them as jurors is what the law says..

 

[JimG.]

All I know is i'm not letting any one of those jurors babysit my kids... apparently they all think its ok for an ADULT male to sleep in the same bed as a teen/pre-teen BOY. I don't care if its your own kid, thats wrong.

So, when my 9 year old son comes into my room crying because he had a nightmare and I let him come into bed with me and my wife, that's wrong?

I don't think you really meant that.

 

[dmc]

All I know is i'm not letting any one of those jurors babysit my kids... apparently they all think its ok for an ADULT male to sleep in the same bed as a teen/pre-teen BOY. I don't care if its your own kid, thats wrong.

Oh yeah...and why bother with an alcohol age limit, just give all the kids "jesus juice".

M

Actually during the interview.. a juror said she and a few others on the jury - would NEVER let their kids sleep with an adult...
They DON't think it's OK... But it isn't against the law...
What matters to them as jurors is what the law says..

*GASP* dmc?! You aren't suggesting that one person's definition of morality should overrule the law?! When did YOU become part of the religous right?!

Be careful, or soon you'll be supporting pro-life, school vouchers, and traditional marriage.

-Stephen

Sorry - there I go again giving my opinion in this opressive world of GWB squelching differing opinions...

I never said that.. I said - they didn't think he broke the law... An adult sleeping with a kid is now against the law..
Quite twisting my words or I'll back out of this debate... Nothing makes me madder...

PS: I do support tradtional marriage! And also non-traditinal...
I actually may agree with vouchers too...
Also own guns...
I guess maybe I'm not te flaming Liberal you ASSUMED I was... MAybe I'm just someone who doesnt aggree with the current admin..??? Thats OK isnt it?

 

[Stephen]

ANd maybe I agree with the administration.

I deleted my message when I re-read your message and realized I mis-interpreteed it. My apologies.

-Stephen

 

[dmc]

ANd maybe I agree with the administration.

I deleted my message when I re-read your message and realized I mis-interpreteed it. My apologies.

-Stephen

Not a problem