Nuclear Power

[mondeo]

I agree with the taking sides thing...

But this - imho - is a big deal and could happen where I live and breath...
Scientific data confuses most people... Tap water catching on fire - now that scares the shti out of folks...

Bah. I drink stuff that can be set on fire all the time.

 

[ctenidae]

There is 1 producing well within 10 miles of Candor, NY, drilled by Talisman in 2007. It is a horizontal well, with the bottom hole depth at 9,807 feet with a 5,000 foot horizontal run. It is in the Black River formation (not Marcellus).

The deepest water well in Tioga County is 380 feet deep, and is only cased for 75 feet. Most of the water wells, according to state records, are uncased for the majority of their depth. According to an EPA study done in 1984, it is impossible to deepen the water wells because the bedrock layer is too thick and too dry to drill into or through.

2+2+2= pretty unlikely gas from a 9,800 foot deep hole is getting into a water well that's at most 380 feet deep and seperated by a thick layer of dense bedrock.

That's my non-Google science and conclusion.

 

[ctenidae]

BTW. That can happen when a water well is dug and the water well is fracture to produce more water. It has to be a deep water well though.

1) Nobody fracs a water well.
2) A water well doesn't have to be deep to hit natural gas
2a) A properly completed (cased and vented) water well will release naturaly occuring natural gas without sending it into your plumbing

 

[Puck it]

1) Nobody fracs a water well.
2) A water well doesn't have to be deep to hit natural gas
2a) A properly completed (cased and vented) water well will release naturaly occuring natural gas without sending it into your plumbing

I have heard the term for years about doing something to the well to get more water out of the well. What is the term then or what are they doing? Hydrofracturing not hyrdraulic fracturing

http://www.flatwaterfleet.com/html/hydrofracturing.html

I meant deep like 800' for a water well. And I agree about the casing and venting, what I meant was an improperly dug well.

 

[Puck it]

There is 1 producing well within 10 miles of Candor, NY, drilled by Talisman in 2007. It is a horizontal well, with the bottom hole depth at 9,807 feet with a 5,000 foot horizontal run. It is in the Black River formation (not Marcellus).

The deepest water well in Tioga County is 380 feet deep, and is only cased for 75 feet. Most of the water wells, according to state records, are uncased for the majority of their depth. According to an EPA study done in 1984, it is impossible to deepen the water wells because the bedrock layer is too thick and too dry to drill into or through.

2+2+2= pretty unlikely gas from a 9,800 foot deep hole is getting into a water well that's at most 380 feet deep and seperated by a thick layer of dense bedrock.


That's my non-Google science and conclusion.

You make to much sense and your information does not support run-dmc view.

 

[tjf67]

1) Nobody fracs a water well.
2) A water well doesn't have to be deep to hit natural gas
2a) A properly completed (cased and vented) water well will release naturaly occuring natural gas without sending it into your plumbing

My well is 400ft and was Fractured to get enough gallons per minute to meet code. Don't know if it is the same Fracture you are talking about.

 

[Puck it]

My well is 400ft and was Fractured to get enough gallons per minute to meet code. Don't know if it is the same Fracture you are talking about.

That was what I was talking about. He may have thought I meant hydraulic not hydro.

 

[Puck it]

Pulling a dfc and adding some links to contradict the gas in wells

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Texas-EPA-gas-drilling/2011/03/23/id/390535

http://www.prairiewaternews.ca/water/vol9no1/story3.htm

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/01/18/2778239/natural-gas-in-parker-county-water.html

 

[ctenidae]

That was what I was talking about. He may have thought I meant hydraulic not hydro.

They're actually the same thing- hydraulic is fluid under pressure. For a water well, you don't use propants, gels, or other additives, obviously. So, I stand corrected, people do frac water wells.

One wonders if our flammable water friend has had his well, originally dug, he says, in 1966, fraced, which would increase the chance of hitting a gas pocket.

 

[mondeo]

They're actually the same thing- hydraulic is fluid under pressure. For a water well, you don't use propants, gels, or other additives, obviously. So, I stand corrected, people do frac water wells.

One wonders if our flammable water friend has had his well, originally dug, he says, in 1966, fraced, which would increase the chance of hitting a gas pocket.

Well, they aren't exactly the same thing. All hydrocracking is hydraulic cracking, but not all hydraulic cracking is hydrocracking. It's a subset.

Nitpicking the nitpicker, hooray!

 

[ctenidae]

Well, they aren't exactly the same thing. All hydrocracking is hydraulic cracking, but not all hydraulic cracking is hydrocracking. It's a subset.

Nitpicking the nitpicker, hooray!

Yeah, well, shutup!

:beer:

 

[dmc]

So we should take your side of the story as fact. That is the problem with you. People do not listen to the whole argument and become reactionary when information is presented by the media. People need to become more informed instead reacting to Headline News 30 second spots.

Do whatever the fukc you want... I really don't give a flying F... It's not you that I want to know about this issue...

Everyone else can make up there own minds with all the info out there... Attend local meetings.. Not from some blowhard Google so call scientist on AlpineZone..

 

[ctenidae]

Everyone else can make up there own minds with all the info out there... Attend local meetings.. Not from some blowhard Google so call scientist on AlpineZone..

People should also utilize the extensive resources available from the NY DEC. While some may question their policies and enforcement, their record keeping is quite good, and it is quite easy to look at the data and draw conclusions. They will even give you a GoogleEarth plot of all the gas and oil wells.

If, after looking that over, you conclude that fracing is effective enough that it creates fractures 9000 feet tall and 10 miles long, perhaps Schlumberger and Halliburton stock is a good buy. And New York's going to have to seriously reconsider the spacing rules on gas wells, since the recovery from a single well is a hell of a lot bigger than anyone thought.

 

[Puck it]

They're actually the same thing- hydraulic is fluid under pressure. For a water well, you don't use propants, gels, or other additives, obviously. So, I stand corrected, people do frac water wells.

One wonders if our flammable water friend has had his well, originally dug, he says, in 1966, fraced, which would increase the chance of hitting a gas pocket.

Hydraulic fracturing can use pure water or the mixture of water, sand and chemicals.

Read some other dmz'ed links that I provided about wells with nat gas.

 

[Puck it]

Do whatever the fukc you want... I really don't give a flying F... It's not you that I want to know about this issue...

Everyone else can make up there own minds with all the info out there... Attend local meetings.. Not from some blowhard Google so call scientist on AlpineZone..

Nice mouth from a so-called drummer on A-zone!!!!!! Just an angry man. Keep proving my point, dude.

 

[ctenidae]

Hydraulic fracturing can use pure water or the mixture of water, sand and chemicals.

Read some other dmz'ed links that I provided about wells with nat gas.

Pure water is kind of pointless for fracing a nat gas well, though- you need the proppant to keep the fractures open, and the other additives to help get the proppant into the cracks. A fracing operation is pretty impressive- huge compressor motors, massive tanks of all kinds of stuff. Lots and lots of noise. And no hazmat suits. Doesn't mean I'd want to take a bath in the stuff, but the guys working with it don't seem to mind.

Don't really need to read other links- I understand the geology and technology pretty well.

 

[Puck it]

Pure water is kind of pointless for fracing a nat gas well, though- you need the proppant to keep the fractures open, and the other additives to help get the proppant into the cracks. A fracing operation is pretty impressive- huge compressor motors, massive tanks of all kinds of stuff. Lots and lots of noise. And no hazmat suits. Doesn't mean I'd want to take a bath in the stuff, but the guys working with it don't seem to mind.

Don't really need to read other links- I understand the geology and technology pretty well.

Yes, nat gas wells need the chemical additives. Water wells only use water was my point. The links that I provided are not about the tech. They are about wells that were thought to be contaminated by frac drilling but turned out they were not. I was using those to counter the dws zone ones.

 

[ctenidae]

Yes, nat gas wells need the chemical additives. The links that I provided are not about the tech. They are about wells that were thought to be contaminated by frac drilling but turned out they were not. I was using those to counter the dws zone ones.

Gotcha.

 

[Glenn]

A little more back on topic. An article that talks about the media coverage of the disaster in Japan...and how it's very nuclear centric/hystaria

http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/24/media-nuclear-hysteria

 

[drjeff]

A little more back on topic. An article that talks about the media coverage of the disaster in Japan...and how it's very nuclear centric/hystaria

http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/24/media-nuclear-hysteria

The reality of this situation is that decades from now when the tragedy in Japan is looked back upon, that the death toll from the quake/tsunami will be massively greater than the death toll from the Fukushima Reactors