Ski Resort Managers Rejoice!

[Puck it]

Not even going to bother!

 

[ss20]

So... the ski resort managers are happy... what's this mean for my close-to-minimum-wage instructing job? lol Can I get a season pass?:smash:

 

[steamboat1]

LOL - So True!!

As far as deadheadskier's words, couldn't agree with you more. Just one point about the me, me, me society, each of us as travelers, skiers and generally outdoor kind of people, should try to realize how much we enjoy the benefits of our federal and local government.

We didn't build that.

 

[Hawkshot99]

Goverment #'s may be showing low amunt of people unemployed, but as someone who is looking for jobs, I can tell you that it is a different story.
Minimum wage flipping burgers may count as a job, but it doesn't pay many bills.

 

[JimG.]

So... the ski resort managers are happy... what's this mean for my close-to-minimum-wage instructing job? lol Can I get a season pass?:smash:

Can't say for sure, but don't expect a raise. They don't give you a free season pass for instructing at Thunder Ridge?

 

[JimG.]

Goverment #'s may be showing low amunt of people unemployed, but as someone who is looking for jobs, I can tell you that it is a different story.
Minimum wage flipping burgers may count as a job, but it doesn't pay many bills.

Fact is 70% of "new jobs" are in low pay foodservice and retail sectors. Like I said before, you can twist numbers to support any conclusions you want.

 

[steamboat1]

Fact is 70% of "new jobs" are in low pay foodservice and retail sectors. Like I said before, you can twist numbers to support any conclusions you want.

Can't get a job at McDonalds or Walmart without papers

 

[JimG.]

While that is true I think what Yeggous is trying to get at is that minimum wage in this country and what we consider the poverty line is significantly lower than what many people think it should be. This is why there are huge movements to increase minimum wage, especially when looking at minimum wages in other developed countries.

Even though the jump from looking at 2004 to now appears massive, back when people first started trying to implement regulations like this, like Yeggous mentioned, they had a very different idea in mind of what minimum salaries should look like. Somewhere along the line that standard was drastically lowered hence why 13k only went up to 25k over forty years

I would agree here. You can bet corporate pressure was applied regarding that lowered standard.

Frankly, $50,000 doesn't go very far either unless you are single.

 

[Hawkshot99]

Can't get a job at McDonalds or Walmart without papers

Yes you can. You may not be able to collect your tax refund at the end of the year, but by claiming enough deductions your not loosing out there either.

One of my buddies owns a large nursery/ landscaping company. He has guys come to him all the time with "papers" proving who they are. They are legit papers, just maybe not for the person presenting them. Not so easy to figure out who is legit, and who isn't though for that area of jobs.

 

[mbedle]

We didn't build that.

Not sure what you mean? I was speaking in reference to roads, low federal lease rates for land, snow plowing to keep highways clear, tax breaks on snow making equipment upgrades, etc. Since I work with a couple of state agencies daily and sit on a local planning committee, I take offense to people just randomly throwing the word "Government" around.

 

[mbedle]

I am fortunate...I can retire tomorrow if I want to. I don't work for others anymore. I work for myself as a consultant now. I have no debt and my mortgage will be paid off 4/1/17. When I am 59 1/2 on 9/12/17 I will retire and I will live off of investment income quite comfortably and leave a large inheritance to my wife and 3 boys. I pay my taxes and I do not complain. I am grateful and express that daily.

I am very much the exception. You are terribly naïve if you think large numbers of 65 year olds exit the workforce...few can afford to now for many reasons. As for millennials like my 2 oldest sons, they drive down employment participation more by choice than because of education. They see the way corporate America abuses labor and want no part of that. My hope is that their generation brings corporations to their knees.

I have no horse in this race. Please consider that many who are averse to this new $50,000 threshold feel it will not help labor and will in fact be used by corporations to hurt labor instead.

Jim - you can't say things like "live of investment income quite comfortably" and "My hope is that their generation brings corporations to their knees." You can kiss the first part goodbye if the second part ever happens!!! And even if your investments are not based in any corporate stocks, mine are, so please leave big corporations alone. They are making me a pretty nice retirement pile now and I 'm going to need that pile in a couple of years.

 

[marcski]

Yep another 432,000 people not in the labor force last month pushing the unemployment rate down another 2/10ths. That's nearly 94 million working age people not in the labor force. Happy days.

Where is this number from? It seems quite off and total bs. There are only about 350 mil total population in the US. And you are saying 94 million of the working age population that want to work are unemployed? Show me a reliable source for thoae numbers!

 

[yeggous]

Where is this number from? It seems quite off and total bs. There are only about 350 mil total population in the US. And you are saying 94 million of the working age population that want to work are unemployed? Show me a reliable source for thoae numbers!

That number he is cherry picking is the number of people age 16 or older who are not working. It does not account for those who are students, retired, disabled, home makers, incarcerated, or not legally authorized to work, etc. that is a number that is commonly swung around by right wing blogs. I should know as I used to work for one.


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[Puck it]

Anybody got that number truck driving school? I think we may need it!

 

[steamboat1]

Where is this number from? It seems quite off and total bs. There are only about 350 mil total population in the US. And you are saying 94 million of the working age population that want to work are unemployed? Show me a reliable source for thoae numbers!

Is the Bureau of Labor Statistics a reliable enough source for you?

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000

Oh & my other number saying the number of people not in the labor force increased by 432,0000 last month was wrong. The number of people not in the labor force increased by 640,000 last month.

 

[deadheadskier]

Right, and that number includes millions of people like yourself. Retirees who are voluntarily not working. Hence it is a misleading and bogus talking point by the Rush/Steaboats of the world that any economist worth his calculator wouldn't use when discussing unemployment.

As yeggous said, you need to subtract students, retirees, homemakers and the disabled to come up with a number that's relevant.

Why don't you do that, then get back to us with a number that actually matters.

 

[steamboat1]

Yep nearly 30% of the population age 16 & older not working is an irrelevant number. Did Rachel tell you that?

By the way the number of people age 65 & over still in the labor force has been increasing, not decreasing over the past decade. By over 100% actually.

 

[deadheadskier]

Again, please tell the group what students, retirees, homemakers and the disabled have to do with unemployment.

 

[Jully]

Jim - you can't say things like "live of investment income quite comfortably" and "My hope is that their generation brings corporations to their knees." You can kiss the first part goodbye if the second part ever happens!!! And even if your investments are not based in any corporate stocks, mine are, so please leave big corporations alone. They are making me a pretty nice retirement pile now and I 'm going to need that pile in a couple of years.

I don't think it's a horrible thing to use the system in place while at the same time wish that the system wasn't there. Hoping for wide spread corporate change while still investing in the best stocks and whatnot I feel is pretty common. Furthermore I don't think the stock market is going to be where corporate change is going to come from.

 

[Jully]

Fact is 70% of "new jobs" are in low pay foodservice and retail sectors. Like I said before, you can twist numbers to support any conclusions you want.

Honestly this is why I think we need to start somewhere with the $50,000 threshold and other improvements to minimum wage type regulations. With all the new jobs that are being created, we have you do something to try and turn those into something a little more livable.

Manufacturing isn't coming back to this country. While we have health laws and OSHA, the factories here just don't make enough money compared to overseas. I think everyone on here agrees that corporations are not fun to work for and they are abusive in at least some manner to labor, and so look at how workers are treated in Asian and Mexican factories. It's appalling. The reason those factories are over there is not just a tax argument, it's a labor argument.

There's a lack of middle income, livable jobs in the US right now. I think the way to start bridging that gap is by starting at the bottom with what is already there instead of trying to create a new job sector out of thin air. I'll agree that the wording is a little weird and it very well might be abused by companies, but it's a start, and it's much easier to fix something than create an entirely new piece of regulation. You have to start the fight somewhere