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Ski Resort Response to COVID-19

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Dear Kenneth,

At our core, we’re all about outdoor adventure – it’s who we are. We seek to inspire and empower the next generation of athletes, create memorable experiences in the mountains, and connect like-minded people in a shared pursuit of adventure. We know that season passholders like you share the same passion for action sports and outdoor recreation. This is why we prioritized summer operations this spring and why, now, we’re finalizing winter operations so we can continue doing what we love with the ones we love in the outdoor space.

Fortunately for us, mountain snow sports take place in the outdoor space naturally distancing skiers and riders. As part of the experience, guests already take cold related precautions – wearing masks, gloves, and goggles – and are spread across open terrain. Here at Killington, we’re particularly well positioned to operate successfully amid a pandemic as the biggest mountain resort in Eastern North America spanning seven distinct mountain areas – eight if you include Pico Mountain – with 28 lifts and nearly 2,000 skiable acres to roam when fully open.

We continue to monitor Covid-19 and, given its dynamic nature, have prepared thorough, adaptable operations plan that are consistent with the Vermont Department of Health and follow the National Ski Areas Association’s Ski Well, Be Well best practices. An important part of our planning includes putting in place assurances of appropriate physical distancing, sanitation and protocols that ensure the health and wellbeing of guests and staff. We are confident in our ability to provide a great ski and ride experience this winter at Killington and Pico. Below are more details on how we plan to operate this winter season with your safety at the forefront of our many tough decisions.

Projected Opening Day
No, that is not a typo. Yes, it feels a little unnatural to announce a projected Opening Day at Killington. We pride ourselves on putting in the work early season to get lifts running as soon as possible, but we need ample time to prepare top-to-bottom terrain to ensure proper physical distancing. We’re confident that starting our season with more acreage and lifts open will help guests spread out and maintain an appropriate distance while also providing a higher quality on-snow experience from day one of the season.

Additionally, our early season snowmaking and expansion plan is different than recent years and will focus on getting multiple lifts open and spreading out guests across the resort to facilitate physical distancing. Typically, our stairs leading from North Ridge to Killington Peak provide the connection needed early season when skiing access is not available off Killington Peak, but the stairs will remain closed this season since they don’t allow for physical distancing. This is just one of the many reasons the team at Killington is setting our sights on top-to-bottom skiing from the start.

As a result, we plan to open for skiing and riding at Killington Resort November 14, weather and terrain permitting. As you can imagine it wasn’t an easy decision; lots of time and effort went into selecting a date based on historical weather data for Killington. We believe November 14 is a realistic date to achieve top-to-bottom skiing and riding with access to multiple base area lifts. That being said, we all know East Coast weather – early season especially – can be challenging and until we can provide the space needed to facilitate physical distancing, we will delay opening. We anticipate being open for Killington Season Pass and Ikon passholders only on opening day and for a period of time as we assess operations and capacity limits. Information about when day ticket holders can access the mountain will be announced at a later date.

As always, we are committed to making snow, having an early season Woodward Mountain Park offering and getting lifts turning, but where we plan to make snow is different from recent seasons. We will concentrate our snowmaking efforts on providing a top-to-bottom route from the K-1 Gondola, in the North Ridge area and on Snowdon Mountain. Snowmaking will begin in the North Ridge area and Killington Peak and stay concentrated in those areas with a plan to expand into Snowdon area as soon as possible. Maintaining snow in these areas will take priority early season and when we feel able to spread our resources, we’ll continue concentrating on upper mountain. This means we don’t plan to offer beginner terrain in the Snowshed or Ramshead areas until mid- to late-December instead of Thanksgiving weekend like we have in the past.

Over at Pico Mountain, our projected opening day is December 19 and expansion plans will focus on giving guests the opportunity to spread out like we’re planning at Killington.

Resort Access & Parking Reservations
Throughout the season, we will be limiting the number of guests at the resort in order to facilitate physical distancing. Our primary method for limiting the number of guests will be accomplished by adjusting our ticket and pass product offerings and sales channels as well as limiting the number of tickets we sell on any given day. For example, we don’t plan to host bus groups or offer promotions/3rd party tickets valid on weekends or peak days.

We are also implementing an online parking reservation system for all guests. This means that everyone, including season passholders, will need to let us know they’re coming. Implementing this system proactively will help us track and manage volume and ensure an experience which enables appropriate physical distancing. We plan to share more details on how this will be implemented in the coming weeks. Please be patient and understand our goal is to allow passholders to ski and ride on the days they wish. By adjusting our daily lift ticket sales strategy, we hope to reach this goal. Our size and commitment to opening as much terrain as possible as quickly as possible are also in our favor.

For day ticket purchasers, all ticket sales will happen in advance which will allow for contactless ticketing either by reloading an existing ONE PASS card or being able to pick up a new ONE PASS card from a ticket kiosk. We introduced these ticket kiosks last season at select base lodges but are accelerating our roll out of the kiosks at all base lodges for the coming season.

Early Season Skinning
I know that our first snowfall is going to get everyone excited for another season on the mountain and you may want to earn your turns before lifts spin, but uphill travel routes will not be open early season. Until we have enough snow coverage to open designated uphill travel routes, skinning is not permitted at Killington and Pico. I’m aware that many pass holders have ignored our closures in the past, but this season, our uphill policy will be strictly enforced and you will be at risk of losing ski privileges if you’re caught on the mountain. If uphill routes are closed, it’s for good reason – such as unmarked hazards, poor coverage or large machinery at work to name a few – and in the best interest of our guests, staff and community first responders.

Protective Gear
What we know is that skiing and exploring the great outdoors during this time is one of the safest ways to recreate and we are fortunate that inherent to the ski and ride experience is the wearing protective gear – masks, gloves and goggles.

Our current mask policy in conjunction with the statewide face mask mandate in Vermont that went into effect August 1, 2020 will remain in place this winter so our current mask policy will also stay in place: at the resort masks covering the nose and mouth are required at all times, except when seated while eating or drinking. I suggest keeping an extra face mask on you in case one is lost or you find your primary face covering getting too uncomfortable after freezing up from the moisture in your breath. I’ve been there; it’s not fun.

Base Lodges & Food and Beverage
Current Vermont rules limit capacity in buildings to 50%, including staff, and our operation plans will follow these limits. This means there will be certain changes in base lodges this season. For example, lodges will act more as a ‘warming hut’ for skiers and riders with limited grab n’ go food, new egress/ingress flows and other measures to ensure access to restrooms without affecting the overall capacity, and non-skiers/riders will not have access to lodges. In addition, we will have extra outdoor portable bathrooms available and, with support from our Killington sponsors, we will introduce unique outdoor dining options, add food trucks and have popular trail side venues, including the Jerk Jamaican Mountain Grill and Braut House open on a more regular basis.

I know Killington is known for and proud to deliver a great après experience, but with the need to physically distance and given Vermont's regulations on dining and bars, which require alcohol only be served when seated, at a table, our legendary après won't look the same this year. At this time, our more intimate structures on-mountain like the Ledgewood Yurt and Motor Room Bar will not operate this season.

Everyone doing everything they can will help us ensure the longevity of the ski season. This means that the new normal for this season at Killington and Pico will be booting up in the parking lot, going straight to the lift and back to your car without ever going inside a lodge. Boot bags and bags in general will not be permitted in lodges and complimentary bag check will be closed. That being said, I recommend grabbing an extra pair of socks this season, getting a pair of boot heaters (I love mine!), and keeping your boots near the floor heat vents on your way up to the mountain this winter. Plan to operate out of your car like it was a base lodge and pack extra snacks to re-fuel throughout the day. New England winters can be chilly, so we ask that you use the base lodges sparingly and limit your time inside. This will make it more available to everyone that needs it while we work around current capacity restrictions.

Physical Distancing on Chairlifts and Gondolas
High capacity chairlifts and closed cabin carriers will be loaded in a way that allows for physical distancing. For example, on the gondola and our high speed, high capacity lifts, guests will have the opportunity to ride with only members of their traveling party, or load at a reduced capacity with other skiers and riders. On our other lifts, we will load at 50% capacity or with members you traveled with. Masks covering the nose and mouth are required at all times in lift lines and while riding lifts.

Physical distancing in lift queues occurs organically due to the length of skis and snowboards and guests will notice additional spacing measures, including extended maze designs, more lateral spacing and increased signage, to further ensure a consistent flow of appropriately spaced traffic.

New Killington Resort App, Text Messaging and More
Our team has been working behind the scenes to develop a new Killington Resort App, which will be available for Apple and Android phones at the beginning of the winter season. A few key features of the app will be real-time lift and trail status, lift wait times and tracking. The tracking feature will allow you to track your ski day, see where you’re at on the map and allow you to see where friends and family are on the mountain. We will also be able to send push notifications with real-time updates and information as needed allowing us to improve communication to guests who are at the resort.

Speaking of improving communications, we’re also rolling out a text messaging platform. We know the likelihood of needing to communicate with guests outside of email and social media is greater than ever this coming season. We promise we won’t bog you down with endless text messages but plan to use it for communicating critical operations updates as needed, important information about upcoming visits and the occasional promotional message such as a season pass deadline reminder. You can opt into text messages today by texting Beast to 64600. Opt-in details for Pico Mountain coming soon. Message and data rates may apply.

We are also implementing new software to enable contactless credit card payments in our food and beverage outlets. We will also be issuing new ONE PASSES to season passholders that will integrate with the new system for discounts. Be on the lookout for an email next week to verify your address for mailing.

Ski & Snowboard Rental & Snow Sports School Lessons
We want to provide a great experience this season and that includes having rentals and snow sports programming available. Rentals will be available out of K-1 at the beginning of the season; however, since we plan to operate with intermediate to advanced terrain only early season, lessons won’t be available until mid- to late-December. Advance reservations will be required for both rentals and lessons. All equipment will be sanitized between guest uses.

The 20/21 season will begin with private lessons only for related parties at Killington Resort and Pico Mountain. We will offer our Unleashed and 4241 seasonal lesson programs. Ministars, Youth Group Lessons, childcare and our group Learn to Ski & Ride programs will not be offered this season at Killington. We will not offer youth group lessons or childcare at Pico.

Employee Health Screenings
All employees will continue to be required to get their temperature checked and submit a daily health screening before arriving to work verifying that they are feeling well and have not been in contact with someone showing symptoms or exposed to Covid-19. If employees are not feeling well, they are required to stay home. We ask that our guests join us in this practice and stay home when experiencing symptoms or feeling unwell.

Now What
As we close out the summer and shift to fall operations, we will continue to refine and adjust our winter plans to ensure the safety and wellbeing of our community, guests and team. While ample snow and the longest season in the east have been signs of success in the past, this season success means facilitating a season of skiing and riding in a socially responsible way. In order to do that, we know we need the cooperation of our local community, guests and employees. We’re all connected.

We thrive in unison, not as individuals. To operate effectively this winter, and the remainder of the summer for that matter, we all need to do our part and follow safety measures to keep ourselves and others healthy. Regardless of what happens to Covid-19 cases in the future, whether they spike or decline locally or around the country, we’re in this for the long game and need to remain consistent with our safety protocol so we may continue to play in the mountains for years to come. So wear a face mask, practice physical distancing, wash your hands often and stay home if you’re not feeling well.

While there is always a competition to open first, we believe winning this year means everyone doing their part to put into place thoughtful plans and follow guidelines and best practices to keep one another safe, so that we may enjoy a full season of skiing and riding. I hope our commitment to maintaining candid communication gives you some comfort in our plans for the upcoming season. We know everyone’s adapting in their own way and we want to make sure you know how we plan to adjust.

If you still have questions we haven’t answered yet, please submit them here.

I look forward to seeing you on the trails.

Mike Solimano
President & General Manager
 

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Dear Kenneth,

At our core, we’re all about outdoor adventure – it’s who we are. We seek to inspire and empower the next generation of athletes, create memorable experiences in the mountains, and connect like-minded people in a shared pursuit of adventure. We know that season passholders like you share the same passion for action sports and outdoor recreation. This is why we prioritized summer operations this spring and why, now, we’re finalizing winter operations so we can continue doing what we love with the ones we love in the outdoor space.

Fortunately for us, mountain snow sports take place in the outdoor space naturally distancing skiers and riders. As part of the experience, guests already take cold related precautions – wearing masks, gloves, and goggles – and are spread across open terrain. Here at Killington, we’re particularly well positioned to operate successfully amid a pandemic as the biggest mountain resort in Eastern North America spanning seven distinct mountain areas – eight if you include Pico Mountain – with 28 lifts and nearly 2,000 skiable acres to roam when fully open.

We continue to monitor Covid-19 and, given its dynamic nature, have prepared thorough, adaptable operations plan that are consistent with the Vermont Department of Health and follow the National Ski Areas Association’s Ski Well, Be Well best practices. An important part of our planning includes putting in place assurances of appropriate physical distancing, sanitation and protocols that ensure the health and wellbeing of guests and staff. We are confident in our ability to provide a great ski and ride experience this winter at Killington and Pico. Below are more details on how we plan to operate this winter season with your safety at the forefront of our many tough decisions.

Projected Opening Day
No, that is not a typo. Yes, it feels a little unnatural to announce a projected Opening Day at Killington. We pride ourselves on putting in the work early season to get lifts running as soon as possible, but we need ample time to prepare top-to-bottom terrain to ensure proper physical distancing. We’re confident that starting our season with more acreage and lifts open will help guests spread out and maintain an appropriate distance while also providing a higher quality on-snow experience from day one of the season.

Additionally, our early season snowmaking and expansion plan is different than recent years and will focus on getting multiple lifts open and spreading out guests across the resort to facilitate physical distancing. Typically, our stairs leading from North Ridge to Killington Peak provide the connection needed early season when skiing access is not available off Killington Peak, but the stairs will remain closed this season since they don’t allow for physical distancing. This is just one of the many reasons the team at Killington is setting our sights on top-to-bottom skiing from the start.

As a result, we plan to open for skiing and riding at Killington Resort November 14, weather and terrain permitting. As you can imagine it wasn’t an easy decision; lots of time and effort went into selecting a date based on historical weather data for Killington. We believe November 14 is a realistic date to achieve top-to-bottom skiing and riding with access to multiple base area lifts. That being said, we all know East Coast weather – early season especially – can be challenging and until we can provide the space needed to facilitate physical distancing, we will delay opening. We anticipate being open for Killington Season Pass and Ikon passholders only on opening day and for a period of time as we assess operations and capacity limits. Information about when day ticket holders can access the mountain will be announced at a later date.

As always, we are committed to making snow, having an early season Woodward Mountain Park offering and getting lifts turning, but where we plan to make snow is different from recent seasons. We will concentrate our snowmaking efforts on providing a top-to-bottom route from the K-1 Gondola, in the North Ridge area and on Snowdon Mountain. Snowmaking will begin in the North Ridge area and Killington Peak and stay concentrated in those areas with a plan to expand into Snowdon area as soon as possible. Maintaining snow in these areas will take priority early season and when we feel able to spread our resources, we’ll continue concentrating on upper mountain. This means we don’t plan to offer beginner terrain in the Snowshed or Ramshead areas until mid- to late-December instead of Thanksgiving weekend like we have in the past.

Over at Pico Mountain, our projected opening day is December 19 and expansion plans will focus on giving guests the opportunity to spread out like we’re planning at Killington.

Resort Access & Parking Reservations
Throughout the season, we will be limiting the number of guests at the resort in order to facilitate physical distancing. Our primary method for limiting the number of guests will be accomplished by adjusting our ticket and pass product offerings and sales channels as well as limiting the number of tickets we sell on any given day. For example, we don’t plan to host bus groups or offer promotions/3rd party tickets valid on weekends or peak days.

We are also implementing an online parking reservation system for all guests. This means that everyone, including season passholders, will need to let us know they’re coming. Implementing this system proactively will help us track and manage volume and ensure an experience which enables appropriate physical distancing. We plan to share more details on how this will be implemented in the coming weeks. Please be patient and understand our goal is to allow passholders to ski and ride on the days they wish. By adjusting our daily lift ticket sales strategy, we hope to reach this goal. Our size and commitment to opening as much terrain as possible as quickly as possible are also in our favor.

For day ticket purchasers, all ticket sales will happen in advance which will allow for contactless ticketing either by reloading an existing ONE PASS card or being able to pick up a new ONE PASS card from a ticket kiosk. We introduced these ticket kiosks last season at select base lodges but are accelerating our roll out of the kiosks at all base lodges for the coming season.

Early Season Skinning
I know that our first snowfall is going to get everyone excited for another season on the mountain and you may want to earn your turns before lifts spin, but uphill travel routes will not be open early season. Until we have enough snow coverage to open designated uphill travel routes, skinning is not permitted at Killington and Pico. I’m aware that many pass holders have ignored our closures in the past, but this season, our uphill policy will be strictly enforced and you will be at risk of losing ski privileges if you’re caught on the mountain. If uphill routes are closed, it’s for good reason – such as unmarked hazards, poor coverage or large machinery at work to name a few – and in the best interest of our guests, staff and community first responders.

Protective Gear
What we know is that skiing and exploring the great outdoors during this time is one of the safest ways to recreate and we are fortunate that inherent to the ski and ride experience is the wearing protective gear – masks, gloves and goggles.

Our current mask policy in conjunction with the statewide face mask mandate in Vermont that went into effect August 1, 2020 will remain in place this winter so our current mask policy will also stay in place: at the resort masks covering the nose and mouth are required at all times, except when seated while eating or drinking. I suggest keeping an extra face mask on you in case one is lost or you find your primary face covering getting too uncomfortable after freezing up from the moisture in your breath. I’ve been there; it’s not fun.

Base Lodges & Food and Beverage
Current Vermont rules limit capacity in buildings to 50%, including staff, and our operation plans will follow these limits. This means there will be certain changes in base lodges this season. For example, lodges will act more as a ‘warming hut’ for skiers and riders with limited grab n’ go food, new egress/ingress flows and other measures to ensure access to restrooms without affecting the overall capacity, and non-skiers/riders will not have access to lodges. In addition, we will have extra outdoor portable bathrooms available and, with support from our Killington sponsors, we will introduce unique outdoor dining options, add food trucks and have popular trail side venues, including the Jerk Jamaican Mountain Grill and Braut House open on a more regular basis.

I know Killington is known for and proud to deliver a great après experience, but with the need to physically distance and given Vermont's regulations on dining and bars, which require alcohol only be served when seated, at a table, our legendary après won't look the same this year. At this time, our more intimate structures on-mountain like the Ledgewood Yurt and Motor Room Bar will not operate this season.

Everyone doing everything they can will help us ensure the longevity of the ski season. This means that the new normal for this season at Killington and Pico will be booting up in the parking lot, going straight to the lift and back to your car without ever going inside a lodge. Boot bags and bags in general will not be permitted in lodges and complimentary bag check will be closed. That being said, I recommend grabbing an extra pair of socks this season, getting a pair of boot heaters (I love mine!), and keeping your boots near the floor heat vents on your way up to the mountain this winter. Plan to operate out of your car like it was a base lodge and pack extra snacks to re-fuel throughout the day. New England winters can be chilly, so we ask that you use the base lodges sparingly and limit your time inside. This will make it more available to everyone that needs it while we work around current capacity restrictions.

Physical Distancing on Chairlifts and Gondolas
High capacity chairlifts and closed cabin carriers will be loaded in a way that allows for physical distancing. For example, on the gondola and our high speed, high capacity lifts, guests will have the opportunity to ride with only members of their traveling party, or load at a reduced capacity with other skiers and riders. On our other lifts, we will load at 50% capacity or with members you traveled with. Masks covering the nose and mouth are required at all times in lift lines and while riding lifts.

Physical distancing in lift queues occurs organically due to the length of skis and snowboards and guests will notice additional spacing measures, including extended maze designs, more lateral spacing and increased signage, to further ensure a consistent flow of appropriately spaced traffic.

New Killington Resort App, Text Messaging and More
Our team has been working behind the scenes to develop a new Killington Resort App, which will be available for Apple and Android phones at the beginning of the winter season. A few key features of the app will be real-time lift and trail status, lift wait times and tracking. The tracking feature will allow you to track your ski day, see where you’re at on the map and allow you to see where friends and family are on the mountain. We will also be able to send push notifications with real-time updates and information as needed allowing us to improve communication to guests who are at the resort.

Speaking of improving communications, we’re also rolling out a text messaging platform. We know the likelihood of needing to communicate with guests outside of email and social media is greater than ever this coming season. We promise we won’t bog you down with endless text messages but plan to use it for communicating critical operations updates as needed, important information about upcoming visits and the occasional promotional message such as a season pass deadline reminder. You can opt into text messages today by texting Beast to 64600. Opt-in details for Pico Mountain coming soon. Message and data rates may apply.

We are also implementing new software to enable contactless credit card payments in our food and beverage outlets. We will also be issuing new ONE PASSES to season passholders that will integrate with the new system for discounts. Be on the lookout for an email next week to verify your address for mailing.

Ski & Snowboard Rental & Snow Sports School Lessons
We want to provide a great experience this season and that includes having rentals and snow sports programming available. Rentals will be available out of K-1 at the beginning of the season; however, since we plan to operate with intermediate to advanced terrain only early season, lessons won’t be available until mid- to late-December. Advance reservations will be required for both rentals and lessons. All equipment will be sanitized between guest uses.

The 20/21 season will begin with private lessons only for related parties at Killington Resort and Pico Mountain. We will offer our Unleashed and 4241 seasonal lesson programs. Ministars, Youth Group Lessons, childcare and our group Learn to Ski & Ride programs will not be offered this season at Killington. We will not offer youth group lessons or childcare at Pico.

Employee Health Screenings
All employees will continue to be required to get their temperature checked and submit a daily health screening before arriving to work verifying that they are feeling well and have not been in contact with someone showing symptoms or exposed to Covid-19. If employees are not feeling well, they are required to stay home. We ask that our guests join us in this practice and stay home when experiencing symptoms or feeling unwell.

Now What
As we close out the summer and shift to fall operations, we will continue to refine and adjust our winter plans to ensure the safety and wellbeing of our community, guests and team. While ample snow and the longest season in the east have been signs of success in the past, this season success means facilitating a season of skiing and riding in a socially responsible way. In order to do that, we know we need the cooperation of our local community, guests and employees. We’re all connected.

We thrive in unison, not as individuals. To operate effectively this winter, and the remainder of the summer for that matter, we all need to do our part and follow safety measures to keep ourselves and others healthy. Regardless of what happens to Covid-19 cases in the future, whether they spike or decline locally or around the country, we’re in this for the long game and need to remain consistent with our safety protocol so we may continue to play in the mountains for years to come. So wear a face mask, practice physical distancing, wash your hands often and stay home if you’re not feeling well.

While there is always a competition to open first, we believe winning this year means everyone doing their part to put into place thoughtful plans and follow guidelines and best practices to keep one another safe, so that we may enjoy a full season of skiing and riding. I hope our commitment to maintaining candid communication gives you some comfort in our plans for the upcoming season. We know everyone’s adapting in their own way and we want to make sure you know how we plan to adjust.

If you still have questions we haven’t answered yet, please submit them here.

I look forward to seeing you on the trails.

Mike Solimano
President & General Manager

In light of everything, can't say that this really surprises me. Doesn't mean that I am thrilled about it, however the reality is that to operate, they have to make sure that they (and pretty much every other ski area out there this year) are doing their best to ensure that the public health officials, who have the ability to close them down, are happy with what is going on.....
 

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Can't really say I'm surprised by anything in Mike's e-mail. I think it is very much in line with what I would have expected. Of course I'm sure there will be some people shocked about items like not opening until mid-November or needing parking reservations.
 
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But it's actually far worse than that, they are monkeying with what "counted" as a nursing home death by only counting it as such if you literally died in the nursing home, which is completely absurd.

Cuomo's politically correct decision cost many, many, hundreds of lives, perhaps even thousands, we dont know. This is a huge scandal which I believe will one day come out, and that "one day" is probably "one day" after Cuomo is no longer politically relevant.

https://apnews.com/212ccd87924b6906053703a00514647f

I don't want to belabor this point too much, but every time that idiot talks about how great he is at handling COVID-19, he invites this upon himself.

The relevant point to skiing is that when you look at the data, you were about 10x as likely to die from COVID-19 if you lived in the northeast vs. the Rockies (and 2.5-3.5x TX and FL). We are the problem. Not the other way around.
 

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Can't really say I'm surprised by anything in Mike's e-mail. I think it is very much in line with what I would have expected. Of course I'm sure there will be some people shocked about items like not opening until mid-November or needing parking reservations.

The November opening is disappointing, but understandable. Normally I wait until TTB anyway, I was just really jonesing to ski this October as soon as I could (as I'm sure many people were). Sounds like they're going with the traditional plan of North Ridge and Snowdon where they're not TTB until November 5-15 anyway.

The parking reservations seem to be a Powdr thing. Killington its self has wayyyyy more parking than it needs. They fit 20-25k people each day for World Cup using their existing lots.
 

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and then theres this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html


With liability concerns and probably more concerning public shaming/humiliation via social media, most companies are complying by copying the 'Nike Rule'. Just let everyone know we are on their side and safety is our number one concern. We know the opposite side, those who believe in freedom and liberty of individual choices that should mark a free society, won't speak up and make noise about how they think its up to the individual to be reponsible for their own safety, their own accountabililty.

Nanny State

There is a decent debate on this site. ( the debate under the video)


https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/anesthesiologist-ted-noel-masks-dont-work/



Many of us wear masks to be compliant and in my case, even when not required, I do it to keep others feeling 'safer'.

Perception really is more powerful than truth in a virtual world it seems. . . . at least temporarily.

Does anyone really believe limiting capacity to essentially half, won't cause longer lines where skiers/riders aren't social distancing?

2021 economy is headed for collapse if some semblance of economic normalcy isn't restored, and soon.
 

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The parking reservations seem to be a Powdr thing. Killington its self has wayyyyy more parking than it needs. They fit 20-25k people each day for World Cup using their existing lots.

I don't think a concern about running out of parking is why they're doing reservations. They're simply using it as a way to limit skiers in general instead of requiring reservations for skiing itself. They're probably going to have less reservations available than the true number of parking spots. Either they will space cars out intentionally in the lots or simply not use all lots in order to hit whatever number they determine their limit to be.
 

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Does anyone really believe limiting capacity to essentially half, won't cause longer lines where skiers/riders aren't social distancing?

It depends on how resorts measure "half". Whether that's CCC, lodge capacity, or parking. Whichever number you choose, it won't be an issue 99% of midweek days and a lot more weekend days than one would think.
 

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They're probably going to have less reservations available than the true number of parking spots. Either they will space cars out intentionally in the lots or simply not use all lots in order to hit whatever number they determine their limit to be.
With the "use your car as the lodge" edict, it would make sense to space the cars out -- makes booting up possible while next to another guy doing the same.
 

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KILLINGTON::

Sorry if this topic has been covered a bunch but I haven’t been on for a while....

Killington just announced their plan for this season. I made a follow up phone call to confirm and this is what I’ve learned for full season pass holders.

Due to limited capacity then want to know when their full pass holders will be at the mountain. There will soon be a system where the pass holders have to notify they will be up but if it’s a busy weekend there is a chance between sold day passes and reserved season passes that it could fill up and bump you out for that weekend.
?????????????? Wtf ... I asked if I could book a seasons worth of visits to which they responded it could possibly be an every 2 weeks before the day thing. Think about that. If I’m a day pass purchaser I can buy tickets at anytime online to book a vacation so as day tickets get purchased through out the year season pass holders get what’s left of the scraps 2 weeks out if this goes though? Complete BS given the cost of a season pass and how season pass holders support the mountain ahead of time even through bad winters.

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KILLINGTON::

Sorry if this topic has been covered a bunch but I haven’t been on for a while....

Killington just announced their plan for this season. I made a follow up phone call to confirm and this is what I’ve learned for full season pass holders.

Due to limited capacity then want to know when their full pass holders will be at the mountain. There will soon be a system where the pass holders have to notify they will be up but if it’s a busy weekend there is a chance between sold day passes and reserved season passes that it could fill up and bump you out for that weekend.
?????????????? Wtf ... I asked if I could book a seasons worth of visits to which they responded it could possibly be an every 2 weeks before the day thing. Think about that. If I’m a day pass purchaser I can buy tickets at anytime online to book a vacation so as day tickets get purchased through out the year season pass holders get what’s left of the scraps 2 weeks out if this goes though? Complete BS given the cost of a season pass and how season pass holders support the mountain ahead of time even through bad winters.

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Saw this on FB - anyone hear more?


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Oops sorry double posted this while trying to fix the other post. Not sure how to delete.
 

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KILLINGTON::

Sorry if this topic has been covered a bunch but I haven’t been on for a while....

Killington just announced their plan for this season. I made a follow up phone call to confirm and this is what I’ve learned for full season pass holders.

Due to limited capacity then want to know when their full pass holders will be at the mountain. There will soon be a system where the pass holders have to notify they will be up but if it’s a busy weekend there is a chance between sold day passes and reserved season passes that it could fill up and bump you out for that weekend.
?????????????? Wtf ... I asked if I could book a seasons worth of visits to which they responded it could possibly be an every 2 weeks before the day thing. Think about that. If I’m a day pass purchaser I can buy tickets at anytime online to book a vacation so as day tickets get purchased through out the year season pass holders get what’s left of the scraps 2 weeks out if this goes though? Complete BS given the cost of a season pass and how season pass holders support the mountain ahead of time even through bad winters.

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It's the new normal...treat season passholders like crap. Get used to it.
 

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It's the new normal...treat season passholders like crap. Get used to it.

No...I think people are reading into this shit way too much and trying to create issues without having all the information.

We plan to share more details on how this will be implemented in the coming weeks. Please be patient and understand our goal is to allow passholders to ski and ride on the days they wish. By adjusting our daily lift ticket sales strategy, we hope to reach this goal.

So basically they plan to limit day ticket sales (not give them priority). K knows from historical data how many passholders typically show up on various days. They'll use that data to set limits on how many day tickets are available to be sold for that day. Now is it possible that a passholder could be shut out? Sure...if it happens to be a high demand day where lots of passholders make reservations ahead of time and every available day ticket is sold, then a passholder that decides last minute they want to ski could certainly lose out.

With technology this really shouldn't be difficult to properly manage. Here's an example of how a system "could" ideally work (K hasn't announced specific details so it isn't necessarily the way they plan to do it).

For simplicity, let's assume 100 is the "capacity" for a given day.
Day X typically sees 80 passholders and 20 day ticket skiers. The ski resort initially limits early day ticket sales to 50% of historical day ticket volume (i.e. releases 10 tickets for sale). This allows a "buffer" for passholder reservations in case demand is higher for some reason. If passholder demand on that day via reservations exceeds the 80 number and reaches 90, reservations are cut off unless day tickets were still available. In that case day tickets available automatically decrement by 1 as each additional passholder reservation is made until such a point as your 100 capacity total is reached. Now if all 10 day tickets were sold and you hit 90 passholder reservations, then too bad, everyone is locked out at that point. On the flipside if passholder reservations don't materialize, then at some point the system opens up more day tickets to be available for purchase.

Honestly I think we're ultimately going to find out that for the vast majority of days, passholders will have no issues getting whatever reservations they want. I also would not at all be surprised to see day ticket prices for peak days be substantially higher this year to decrease demand for them.
 

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So I had the experience of a reservation / lottery system with A basin during the final three weeks of the season. Out of three weekends we won the lottery twice. You basically added your pass to the pool two days prior and get the notice the next day. It was hard to plan. At least K town is doing it based on two weeks. But a guarantee, when the window opens up for a weekend the masses will go online quickly! Two days or two weeks will not make much of a difference. Even weather forecasts for two weeks out are not that accurate Sonia is like rolling the dice!


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I see a lot of b*tching and moaning about first world problems.

If folks are unhappy they have the option of returning their passes this year.

We should be happy to be able to ski at all. I wouldn't want to still be in the industry dealing with this.
 

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So I had the experience of a reservation / lottery system with A basin during the final three weeks of the season. Out of three weekends we won the lottery twice. You basically added your pass to the pool two days prior and get the notice the next day. It was hard to plan. At least K town is doing it based on two weeks. But a guarantee, when the window opens up for a weekend the masses will go online quickly! Two days or two weeks will not make much of a difference. Even weather forecasts for two weeks out are not that accurate Sonia is like rolling the dice!


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I have not heard of any areas implementing this type of lottery - I think that was a very special situation. Rather they are basic reservation systems with the added twist of giving pass holders some level of priority.
 

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I have not heard of any areas implementing this type of lottery - I think that was a very special situation. Rather they are basic reservation systems with the added twist of giving pass holders some level of priority.

Agreed. Plus there's a bit of a difference between limited capacity at A-Basin at the end of the season vs K's capacity during the prime season.
 

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So I had the experience of a reservation / lottery system with A basin during the final three weeks of the season. Out of three weekends we won the lottery twice. You basically added your pass to the pool two days prior and get the notice the next day. It was hard to plan. At least K town is doing it based on two weeks. But a guarantee, when the window opens up for a weekend the masses will go online quickly! Two days or two weeks will not make much of a difference. Even weather forecasts for two weeks out are not that accurate Sonia is like rolling the dice!


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Right, and A-basin was one of what...2 places operating in the country at the time?

Lock-outs will be a legit concern the first couple weeks with demand through the roof, and limited mountains/limited terrain open.

And honestly all this sucks...but look at it this way....there's some serious STOKE that this could bring. I think about all the days I've gone skiing, midweek or weekend, after a MAJOR dump and there's crazy lift lines as everyone wants to ski whatever mountain got the "jackpot". I remember last year at Mount Snow I'm pretty sure it was midweek but they had gotten 2 feet the day before, first big storm of the season, and the lines were 15 minute on the North Face. If you're smart/lucky with the weather and buy your ticket for the day after the storm in advance you could be having the time of your life without the crowds.
 

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Agreed. Plus there's a bit of a difference between limited capacity at A-Basin at the end of the season vs K's capacity during the prime season.

True but there is still early season at K where there will be limited capacity.

I think early season most any place will be a bit of a shot show in terms of resort practices and having to plan more! Gone are the days (for now) where you can wake up and say - let’s hit the slopes! If you do not get a reservation or win a lottery then you can only dream or hopefully ski somewhere else!


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