ski technique junkies(free stuff here)

[hrstrat57]

Pretty new to AZ, spend a lot of time on epic digesting all the technique rap over there. Yep, I am a ski technique junkie. I obsessed over PSIA centerline, ATS for years, watched all Harbs vids, read all the books and lived Lito. www.breakthroughonskis.com

Nice thread goin' on here now in this forum, clearly some real technique junkies over here too. Thought I'd share some goodies that really supercharged my skiing last year when I jumped on my first super short skis last season (168 volkl allstars)

Junkies(esp engineers:-D by trade) get your fix by clicking on the free demo team videos in my signature. For a real heavy hit of what happens in a high performance ski turn as a result of modern technique properly applied to super sidecut technology click on the CSIA link, www.snowproab.com click on course materials and then click on technical reference.

that'll do ya for a while.....

enjoy u junkies.....if you are a visual learner you just copped about $4K worth of privates....if not....well, I tried to share......

free is good

warning turn the sound off on the italian demo team vids to avoid the cheesy music and the italian talk over....unless of course, you speak italian...

 

[hrstrat57]

btw I am not affiliated with CSIA or amsao in any way......I am no longer affiliated with PSIA either....(retired)

this is a pure freebee in the spirit of sharing the goodies or the secret stash

in other words......free:flag:

take it or leave it....if you take it, pass it on

 

[jack97]

btw I am not affiliated with CSIA or amsao in any way......I am no longer affiliated with PSIA either....(retired)

this is a pure freebee in the spirit of sharing the goodies or the secret stash

in other words......free:flag:

take it or leave it....if you take it, pass it on

Free is my favorite word. I've seen the italians and canadians vids before. Among others, I noticed that they emphasize the ankle flex (or shin pressure) and knee flex versus some PSIA vids I have seen. Is this my imaginaton? Granted, I don't think PSIA has come up with videos to show the same content and quality as these other groups.

BTW, have you seen Harb new book and vid, if so what do think? I saw it at a local store but held off, seems like repeats from his older books (though I could be wrong).

 

[hrstrat57]

Free is my favorite word. I've seen the italians and canadians vids before. Among others, I noticed that they emphasize the ankle flex (or shin pressure) and knee flex versus some PSIA vids I have seen. Is this my imaginaton? Granted, I don't think PSIA has come up with videos to show the same content and quality as these other groups.

BTW, have you seen Harb new book and vid, if so what do think? I saw it at a local store but held off, seems like repeats from his older books (though I could be wrong).

I was a huge Lito Tejada-Flores guy(breakthrough on skis still best ski training production ever done imo, still avail on his web site) so naturally I checked out HH in detail as they are linked together somewhat. I am not a big book guy tho, huge visual learner. I have both Harb videos and hoping he does another. While I am not a PMTS "coolaid" guy, I willingly adapt HH tactics if they work for me. His drills alone are worth the price of admission....tho the drills on breakthrough 1 are timeless and I still work on them often. The politics of ski instruction doesn't interest me, I have no agenda...just good skiing. Most of the skiing up for critique in the other thread would benefit huge by starting with Lito and his drills. Interesting also to note that most of the drills in Lito's first video pop up in the demo team links I have provided, only in a more user friendly, warm and fuzzy package in Litos video. Folks overwhelmed by the links I have provided should check out Breakthrough I. My opinion of course with no agenda. Stuff just works.

PSIA vs CSIA vs PMTS vs amsao can be a hot flame filled discussion on the other site....me I take what works for me and throw everything else out. I personally find the Italian style( if that is the right word) most to my liking.....the CSIA stuff to me looks very similar to USSA stuff, not that that is a bad thing of course. I think the technique clip on the CSIA video I linked above is brilliant. Flame away if you like regarding steering(the hot topic of other systems vs PMTS)

I will admit I have dialed down rotary(steering) in my own skiing to near zero on most terrain. I do believe allowing the modern ski design to do the work is the correct approach, which is the focus of HH PMTS instruction. It gets steeper and deeper, I think rotary can reappear..

no steep and deep this season as we all knowuke:

 

[billski]

Thanks, I think.

I was a huge Lito Tejada-Flores guy(breakthrough on skis still best ski training production ever done imo, still avail on his web site) so naturally I checked out HH in detail as they are linked together somewhat. I am not a big book guy tho, huge visual learner. I have both Harb videos and hoping he does another. While I am not a PMTS "coolaid" guy, I willingly adapt HH tactics if they work for me. His drills alone are worth the price of admission....tho the drills on breakthrough 1 are timeless and I still work on them often. The politics of ski instruction doesn't interest me, I have no agenda...just good skiing. Most of the skiing up for critique in the other thread would benefit huge by starting with Lito and his drills. Interesting also to note that most of the drills in Lito's first video pop up in the demo team links I have provided, only in a more user friendly, warm and fuzzy package in Litos video. Folks overwhelmed by the links I have provided should check out Breakthrough I. My opinion of course with no agenda. Stuff just works.

PSIA vs CSIA vs PMTS vs amsao can be a hot flame filled discussion on the other site....me I take what works for me and throw everything else out. I personally find the Italian style( if that is the right word) most to my liking.....the CSIA stuff to me looks very similar to USSA stuff, not that that is a bad thing of course. I think the technique clip on the CSIA video I linked above is brilliant. Flame away if you like regarding steering(the hot topic of other systems vs PMTS)

I will admit I have dialed down rotary(steering) in my own skiing to near zero on most terrain. I do believe allowing the modern ski design to do the work is the correct approach, which is the focus of HH PMTS instruction. It gets steeper and deeper, I think rotary can reappear..

no steep and deep this season as we all knowuke:

Thanks, I think.
I look forward to reading your material and hope it translates the terms you use so I can understand what you are talking about: "Lito Tejada-Flores", "dialed down rotary(steering)", "HH PMTS", "HH tactics", "Harb videos", "CSIA ", "PMTS "coolaid" guy." It looks like all insider terms for this free spirit, though.

 

[hammer]

I was a huge Lito Tejada-Flores guy(breakthrough on skis still best ski training production ever done imo, still avail on his web site) so naturally I checked out HH in detail as they are linked together somewhat.

I have the first two of Lito's videos (the second one on bumps and powder is interesting but beyond my skill set for the time being)...do you see any value in the third video? I was wondering because the first video was done before shaped skis.

 

[hrstrat57]

Thanks, I think.
I look forward to reading your material and hope it translates the terms you use so I can understand what you are talking about: "Lito Tejada-Flores", "dialed down rotary(steering)", "HH PMTS", "HH tactics", "Harb videos", "CSIA ", "PMTS "coolaid" guy." It looks like all insider terms for this free spirit, though.

lol it's all lingo, throw it out and look at the pictures....no reading, video....I don't like reading ski tech books, boots on the snow, show me......

csia, canadien ski instr alliance
hh, harald harb
pmts, primary movements teaching system
coolaid, not polit correct term to pmts crazies
lito, check out his website
rotary/steerting, actively using your legs old school style to assist in turning the skis, pmts = no no, other guys = still yes - tho dialed down....less important

 

[hrstrat57]

I have the first two of Lito's videos (the second one on bumps and powder is interesting but beyond my skill set for the time being)...do you see any value in the third video? I was wondering because the first video was done before shaped skis.

haven't seen it, tho I hear it is good.....a lot of Harald Harb footage for demos.....

I think the www.amsao.it and www.snowproab.com links have the modern ski turn covered, at least to the degree I need....for free.

I keep hunting ebay for breakthrough 3, expect it will pop up and I'll snag it

 

[JimG.]

Free is my favorite word. I've seen the italians and canadians vids before. Among others, I noticed that they emphasize the ankle flex (or shin pressure) and knee flex versus some PSIA vids I have seen. Is this my imaginaton? Granted, I don't think PSIA has come up with videos to show the same content and quality as these other groups.

Good stuff here...and I agree that Canadian/European instruction does emphasize knee and ankle flex more than PSIA. To me, that's where it's at for most ski students.

Once they understand the importance of ankle/knee flex and shin pressure, the learning curve suddenly becomes extremely steep.

 

[JimG.]

PSIA vs CSIA vs PMTS vs amsao can be a hot flame filled discussion on the other site....me I take what works for me and throw everything else out. I personally find the Italian style( if that is the right word) most to my liking.....the CSIA stuff to me looks very similar to USSA stuff, not that that is a bad thing of course. I think the technique clip on the CSIA video I linked above is brilliant. Flame away if you like regarding steering(the hot topic of other systems vs PMTS)

I will admit I have dialed down rotary(steering) in my own skiing to near zero on most terrain. I do believe allowing the modern ski design to do the work is the correct approach, which is the focus of HH PMTS instruction. It gets steeper and deeper, I think rotary can reappear..

Rotary skills are very important to the aspiring bump skier also...one of my biggest beefs with PSIA is the lack of sound bump instruction.

I know there are alot of folks over on epic who would pop a blood vessel if they saw this post, but in my years of ski teaching I found that students who wanted to learn about bump skiing were often disappointed with PSIA bump lessons. JMHO.

 

[hrstrat57]

Free is my favorite word. I've seen the italians and canadians vids before. Among others, I noticed that they emphasize the ankle flex (or shin pressure) and knee flex versus some PSIA vids I have seen. Is this my imaginaton? Granted, I don't think PSIA has come up with videos to show the same content and quality as these other groups.

PSIA in the 80's and 90's had brilliant video productions. The centerline video with 80's rockstars ellen post foster, tim petrick, jerry warren etc was incredible. The early 90's ATS series also brilliant Sean Smith etc.....

Unfortunately you had to be an insider like I was at the time to see that stuff...tho ski magazine produced a brilliant civilian version of centerline in the 80's (learn to ski) included Dee Byrne, Tim Petrick, Andy Mills, Jerry Warren and Stein....also great stuff and again, timeless if you can find it....fantastic segment on drills and the Andy Mills part was great. I think it is a huge ball drop by PSIA not to do that sort of thing again.....I shared it with literally dozens of buds and it fired everyone up about getting better.....it even was the original aspiration for me to sign up for ITS at my local hill and begin my career as an instructor. It certainly got people talking about PSIA.

I hope this sharing effort in this thread fires up a few of you folks too.....

I still break out all that old stuff on occasion. Good skiing in the modern era is good skiing.....new school modern skiing less up/down, more utilization of ski design but good drills and what works to get a ski to come around is not that different IMO.

I haven't found any good PSIA stuff in the free domain. I have seen the 2005 PSIA skiing concepts dvd which is sim quality to the Italians/CSIA....hasn't been released in the free domain that I know of.....

Of course I am no longer an insider(retired) perhaps more appropriate others comment instead re PSIA.

 

[JimG.]

PSIA in the 80's and 90's had brilliant video productions. The centerline video with 80's rockstars ellen post foster, tim petrick, jerry warren etc was incredible. The early 90's ATS series also brilliant Sean Smith etc.....

Unfortunately you had to be an insider like I was at the time to see that stuff...tho ski magazine produced a brilliant civilian version of centerline in the 80's (learn to ski) included Dee Byrne, Tim Petrick, Andy Mills, Jerry Warren and Stein....also great stuff and again, timeless if you can find it....fantastic segment on drills and the Andy Mills part was great. I think it is a huge ball drop by PSIA not to do that sort of thing again.....I shared it with literally dozens of buds and it fired everyone up about getting better.....it even was the original aspiration for me to sign up for ITS at my local hill and begin my career as an instructor. It certainly got people talking about PSIA.

I hope this sharing effort in this thread fires up a few of you folks too.....

I still break out all that old stuff on occasion. Good skiing in the modern era is good skiing.....new school modern skiing less up/down, more utilization of ski design but good drills and what works to get a ski to come around is not that different IMO.

I haven't found any good PSIA stuff in the free domain. I have seen the 2005 PSIA skiing concepts dvd which is sim quality to the Italians/CSIA....hasn't been released in the free domain that I know of.....

Of course I am no longer an insider(retired) perhaps more appropriate others comment instead re PSIA.

I keep my PSIA certification current...still pay my dues. The 90's vids with Sean Smith were excellent.

The newer PSIA vids are pretty good...but you have to be a member and you have to buy them. The best stuff you're going to find outside of PSIA is in SKIING magazine where Mike Rogan demos in the technique/instruction section. Tremendous skier who skis year round.

 

[hrstrat57]

I keep my PSIA certification current...still pay my dues. The 90's vids with Sean Smith were excellent.

The newer PSIA vids are pretty good...but you have to be a member and you have to buy them. The best stuff you're going to find outside of PSIA is in SKIING magazine where Mike Rogan demos in the technique/instruction section. Tremendous skier who skis year round.

I'd love to see some of em JimG.....I should have chased lvl 2 when I was on top of my game....but life got in the way. Long story, boring.

That Sean Smith steep skiing segment in ATS was as good as it gets...."Position of Power" I think of it every time I attack a steep pitch.....brilliant stuff!!! I gotta break that out this week and look at it again. I was on exact same gear as him at the time, pro formed Olin RTS and TNT racing. I hear he still brings it pretty good...Copper I think. You could probably fill in the blanks better....

I think Mike Rogan might have been one of the staff at the recent epicski esa at stowe....along with Jeb Boyd(who I have ski'd with, amazing) and Weems I think, maybe Bob Barnes too I dunno....all current "rock stars" for sure.

The magazine stuff doesn't work for me, I like the tips but I have to see it.....the timing and the flow....I just need to see it to dial it in....we all learn differently.

I hope folks enjoy the links....I know this stuff changed my life last year....it really clicked in for me....

Happy holidays....

 

[JimG.]

I'd love to see some of em JimG.....I should have chased lvl 2 when I was on top of my game....but life got in the way. Long story, boring.

That Sean Smith steep skiing segment in ATS was as good as it gets...."Position of Power" I think of it every time I attack a steep pitch.....brilliant stuff!!! I gotta break that out this week and look at it again. I was on exact same gear as him at the time, pro formed Olin RTS and TNT racing. I hear he still brings it pretty good...Copper I think. You could probably fill in the blanks better....

I think Mike Rogan might have been one of the staff at the recent epicski esa at stowe....along with Jeb Boyd(who I have ski'd with, amazing) and Weems I think, maybe Bob Barnes too I dunno....all current "rock stars" for sure.

The magazine stuff doesn't work for me, I like the tips but I have to see it.....the timing and the flow....I just need to see it to dial it in....we all learn differently.

I hope folks enjoy the links....I know this stuff changed my life last year....it really clicked in for me....

Happy holidays....

I've seen the newer vids, but don't own them. Not enough has changed in the technique area to get me to bite. Like you, I've stopped teaching to spend time with my 3 boys. But I keep my cert because I worked hard for it and I do like to take the re-up clinics every other year. I usually hit one of the trees/steeps clinics at MRG.

I'm like you, a visual learner. I agree that the vids work better for us, but in Rogan's case I've skied with him, so I can visualize him on skis and the pics in the mag take on some life.

 

[NYDrew]

PSIA myself, yes one thing that completely pisses me off is the lack of emphesis on rotary skills. During clinics I love when supervisors critisize me for teaching rotary and pressure skills at the same time as edging and balance (the first lesson / bunny hill). I'm usually quick to point out that I have one of the best success rates at getting students up and down the mountain during their first lesson or two (about 85% including the students who are physically inept / scarred of the lift)....that usually results in a personal insult towards me...but who cares.

 

[hrstrat57]

PSIA myself, yes one thing that completely pisses me off is the lack of emphesis on rotary skills. During clinics I love when supervisors critisize me for teaching rotary and pressure skills at the same time as edging and balance (the first lesson / bunny hill). I'm usually quick to point out that I have one of the best success rates at getting students up and down the mountain during their first lesson or two (about 85% including the students who are physically inept / scarred of the lift)....that usually results in a personal insult towards me...but who cares.

Huge agree, any good instructor has a bag of tricks including whatever it takes to get the student skiing, and more importantly smiling.....I suspect you do a good job of both.

I vividly recall my learn to ski program kids approaching level 4/5 after 4 weeks and a couple of lvl 3 superstar (in their own minds) instructor kids still on the bunny hill in perfect power wedges...standing around mostly, talking about skiing.....

thus my signature below applied then as it does now.....

talk, books....?? nah, let's do it! Show me.

That's why the videos work for me....I gotta see boots on the snow.