Ski Technique revelation re: shaped ski turning, carving. My thoughts, your feedback...

[patentcad]

>>Ski Patrol keeps a cache with sleds at the bottom..<<

 

[dmc]

>>Ski Patrol keeps a cache with sleds at the bottom..<<

So what... It's a steep trail.. I didn't say they are constantly using them.. But people do fall and don't self arrest and hurt themselves.. Better to have the sled at the bottom then to have to bring one down..

They also keep a cache on Westway to..

 

[JimG.]

Most injuries occur on Belt Parkway (crowded with the occasional out of control pinball) and the west side where folks who want to get onto Belt wind up on Clair's instead.

I've always thought they should mark that entry from west to the Belt a bit better. Speaking of trail signs ..... they should do something about the sign for way out .... You can't really see it while on belt ... only from white cloud (is that the name of the other blue from the top?)

While I agree it is a confusing spot, most who wind up there looking for the Belt got lost at the top to start out with. The Colonel's Alternate makes no reference to the Belt nor does the entry to Clair's at the top of Z lift. That "entry" to Belt is really a work road.

Of course, the huge yellow sign that blocks half of the entrance to Clair's at that spot that says in bold block letters "EXPERT? YOU HAD BETTER BE!" should raise some eyebrows but somehow doesn't.

 

[Ig ODC]

I really am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but K 27 isn't really that steep of a trail. It has a pitch, but nothing special. I really haven't found any of the terrain at Hunter to be anything spectacular, I find the trails at Plattekill and Bobcat to be more interesting, (and definitely steeper at Plattekill) and part of that might come from the fact that those areas have better snow (less snowmaking). I guess the thing that disappoints me most about Hunter is that many of the trails at the top are cat tracks blasted through the rock. There are some nice trails there, but most are pretty much unimaginative. Annapurna and K 27 are probably the two best trails there. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk or cause consternation, I just think there is some credence to arguments against Hunter.

 

[dmc]

I really am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but K 27 isn't really that steep of a trail. It has a pitch, but nothing special. I really haven't found any of the terrain at Hunter to be anything spectacular, I find the trails at Plattekill and Bobcat to be more interesting, (and definitely steeper at Plattekill) and part of that might come from the fact that those areas have better snow (less snowmaking). I guess the thing that disappoints me most about Hunter is that many of the trails at the top are cat tracks blasted through the rock. There are some nice trails there, but most are pretty much unimaginative. Annapurna and K 27 are probably the two best trails there. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk or cause consternation, I just think there is some credence to arguments against Hunter.

funny... You made me spit my coffee out...
I can't even begin to answer your post... I don't know where to start... So I won't...

Because - I know what I like about Hunter and it's obviouly not in line with your thinking..
Thats cool..

 

[JimG.]

Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk or cause consternation, I just think there is some credence to arguments against Hunter.

You're not a jerk and everyone is entitled to an opinion. But there are arguments for and against EVERY ski area on Earth. What amazes me is I rarely hear of a ski area that takes more of a hit regarding negative reputation than Hunter. I really feel people make assertions about Hunter that are simply not true.

I ski Hunter just about every weekend, and I've been to Plattekill many times too. The trails at Plattekill are definitely steeper? In my opinion, that is not true, but I have no facts to back it up. I'd like to get an inclinometer and actually check these facts out.

Never been to Bobcat; the trails there are steeper than at Hunter? Probably smaller and more interesting, and probably more dependent on natural snow. Sure I'd have fun there and say alot of good things about it if I ever get there.

I swore I'd never get into these types of discussions again, and I am fully aware of the blemishes that are clearly apparent at Hunter. I guess I make a choice to accentuate the positives there and ignore the negatives.

 

[dmc]

JimG - I'll break out the slopemeter this weekend...
I still have it handy from my Tucks trip last week..

We'll get to the bottom of this..

 

[JimG.]

JimG - I'll break out the slopemeter this weekend...
I still have it handy from my Tucks trip last week..

We'll get to the bottom of this..

:argue: :roll:

 

[BeanoNYC]

I never understood why there is always a controversey over Hunter. People either love it or hate it. I happen to love it. It is the closest "challenging" mountain to me and I really dig it's vibe. I try to get there early and finish up right after lunch time. I enjoy my after ski beers in the lodge and chatting it up with some cool people. Besides .... it's pretty much Red Sox Fan Free! (Just Kidding Sox Fans .... I just always feel outnumbered when I ski in N.E.)

 

[bvibert]

We'll get to the bottom of this..

We don't want the slope angle on the bottom, it would look more impressive if you took where the trail is steepest... :lol: :beer:

 

[dmc]

We'll get to the bottom of this..

We don't want the slope angle on the bottom, it would look more impressive if you took where the trail is steepest... :lol: :beer:

true - true...
But I'll have to do it on tele skis... Never been down Lower K27 on tele skis...
I hope I can keep enough composure to remember to check the angle and photograph it...

 

[bvibert]

funny... You made me spit my coffee out...

Did it look something like this:

:lol:

Sorry I'm surprised you didn't use that yourself :beer:

 

[dmc]

A classic....

 

[tekweezle]

is there really a bad mountains when there is good snow?

lately, hunter has been getting good snow and that along with my new found appreciation for skiing have changed my opinions decidedly.

i used to be one of those guys who thought hunter "sucked". now i realize that it was probably my skiing that sucked. i was one of those intermediate only skiers who bemoaned the crowds, short trails(compared to vermont mountains), icy conditions and general attitude. i got bored with skiing the frontside blue trails only and to me anything outside NY was bigger and better.

but as I got better, it opened up a few doors for me and now I see that Hunter has got some challenging terrain and good variety. maybe it;s no killington but it;s not bad at all.

 

[dmc]

I dont know if was metioned..
But this Sunday - you can ski free at Hunter if you have a season pass from another resort..

 

[bvibert]

A classic....

I thought it might lighten up the conversation a little

I mean whats the point of arguing, we all know Hunta is flat and full of ONYers! I'd much rather ride the cog ski train so I can ski Mt. Washington!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Brettski]

Hey, hold on... I like Hunter...just not on the weekends with my kids...hell it was bad enough on a Thursady when a border knocked him over on the beltway...

Hunter teaches you to be a very cautious...no that's not a good word...careful doesn't fit either.....ALERT...that's the word.

If there were ever a Mountain, were the Rules matter more than just plain courtsey...it's Hunter...more like life and death...hell my puny sister-in-law got blasted by some 200+ moron out in the middle of the snow bowl....I tell them always stop on the side of the trail..looking up...and prepared to jump out of the f'n way....

Ok, Ok, I give you 1 of the steepest....but it so damn short....I wonder if they list pitch and length, and grooming stats...

We should make a list...

 

[dmc]

Belt Parkway at Hunter is a scarey trail...
I NEVER go down that trail... Until the beginner crowds subside.. IT's the only good way for beginners and intermediates to get down the trail... Ski at your own risk..
You'll find me on the Westside!!!! Or in the woods..

I'll say it again... Hunter svcks if your an intermediate skier/rider....
The runs from the top can be tough for intermediates..

 

[JimG.]

Belt and the entire B lift area like Kennedy and the terrain park are to be avoided at all costs from 10am to 3pm. Got taken out myself this year on Kennedy. I just don't ski near those places and neither do my kids. We will go to the terrain park late in the day cause the boys love it and I'm starting to like it too.

I've learned something from this thread...since I stay away from these areas, I don't think I have much exposure to the negatives present there. If I had to stay in those places all day, I wouldn't like Hunter much either.

Like DMC said, Hunter just isn't a good place for intermediate skiers or their families.

 

[Ig ODC]

Cool, we're in agreement actually on Hunter. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying some people like it and others don't so I can see both sides, and I can see where someone says they don't think K 27 is all that steep. I am by no means saying Hunter sucks, because it doesn't, not even close. And yeah, it is just my opinon, that's all, nothing more or less. Some people like man made snow, some like powder, some like groomers and some like off trail, hey, as long as we all like skiing/riding that is all that counts, right...

As far as the steepness stuff, Bobcat is definitely NOT steeper, just more imaginative for what I like. They got real narrow twisty trails, and some people won't like that at all.

I'm going to re-phrase my statement on steepness, because if you really think about it it is pretty much impossible to say which area is steeper than another, numbers, stats, inclination etc... is obviously misleading. Are we looking at the entire mountain, just the experts, experts and intermediates, average pitch, fall lines etc...? Yes, you can make standard observations on things like Hunter is steeper than Mountain Creek. As far as Hunter vs. Plattekill, the same can't be said, they both have their pitches, I personally like the pitch at Plattekill better (once again doesn't mean I am right or wrong), but arguments can be made for Hunter too. So, I'll rephrase and say that neither Hunter or Plattekill is steeper than the other. But I guess it does go to the statement that someone else said that Hunter WAS the steepest south of VT, NH, ME; I do disagree with that assessment, I think Plattekill is just as steep.

Yeah, Hunter does take abuse, as does Killington and Vail and Microsoft and Budweiser, when you are the big guy on the block it is easy to be a target, whether rightly or wrongly so. Hunter has lots of positives, good pitch, lots of snowmaking for those that like the manmade, good vertical, lots of trails, close to NY metro.

Cool.