Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke

[thetrailboss]

excellent point
all lifts at jay are old and some like the flyer have lingering issues.
The proposed new bonnie chair would have really helped take pressure off
New ownership will be buying these issues.
Lastly lift and other problems were beyond the scope of the lift and mountain ops folks. They do an amazing job under all conditions.
total awe and respect to them

Completely agree.

And as said, a HSQ to the summit is just not feasible given the terrain. Only option would be a short lift on the former double line to the summit.

 

[xlr8r]

I think this now proves that the incompetence at Jay extended beyond just Quiros and EB5 money. This is flat out bad planning and organization by Stenger and upper management. What did they think was gonna happen with the tram issues, did they think they could get away with this just like EB5. I think the most interesting thing is all these tram issues only became public knowledge after the receiver was put in place. Seems like they were trying to hide the tram issues from public.

 

[zoomzoom]

oopsie!

 

[cdskier]

nasty rumor floating around in some circles that the new vt tram inspector arrived in 2014 and said whisky, tango, ........ you get the idea.

foxtrot? If so, was the prior vt tram inspector incompetent? Or was he being paid off?

 

[LONGBOARDR]

The tram was down for weeks during foliage season in 15. routine maintenance plus some extra attention was the word from the mtn.
at this point everyone local knew there was no money, employees groused about not getting needed materials suppllies maintenance, the hole where the rec center was supposed to go and the unfinished condos, plus layoffs of key employees. Actually I think the feds were nice to wait for april (after skiing) to do the dirty deed

 

[mbedle]

Completely agree.

And as said, a HSQ to the summit is just not feasible given the terrain. Only option would be a short lift on the former double line to the summit.

What terrain issues? I would think that wind might be an issue, up at the peak.

 

[steamboat1]

 

[machski]

Funny, ever been on one of these? No way is there enough room at Jay's summit for the top terminal of a Funitel (or a 3S). Not sure how you'd run a HSQ or HSS either, no real level spot up there for a top detach terminal. Think about the summit tram terminal, it is bolted to the SIDE of the mountain. Only a tram can do that folks.

 

[mbedle]

Steamboat - Was that your response to my question about the terrain? Cool lift in the video, but seems to be way over-engineered.

 

[Abubob]

I'm sure I missed something but is it that Stenger and Quiros spent all kinds of money on hotels, waterparks, ripping up downtown Newport when what was really needed was major repair of their signature lift? :blink:

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Funny, ever been on one of these? No way is there enough room at Jay's summit for the top terminal of a Funitel (or a 3S). Not sure how you'd run a HSQ or HSS either, no real level spot up there for a top detach terminal. Think about the summit tram terminal, it is bolted to the SIDE of the mountain. Only a tram can do that folks.

The Euros would disagree. http://youtu.be/6UXyO8FgFuI

 

[fbrissette]

I'm sure I missed something but is it that Stenger and Quiros spent all kinds of money on hotels, waterparks, ripping up downtown Newport when what was really needed was major repair of their signature lift? :blink:

They had no choice. Had they spent the money to repair to Tram, their EB-5 scam would have collapsed on them earlier.

 

[cdskier]

The Euros would disagree. http://youtu.be/6UXyO8FgFuI

Impressive. See what happens when you leave the lift design and engineering to the professionals? If you challenge the lift companies to do something, they will find a solution (it may not be cheap though).

 

[machski]

The Euros would disagree. http://youtu.be/6UXyO8FgFuI

Well, the Swiss did just open a 36 mile long train tunnel through the Alps too. The only thing here is they bolted that station on the side of it to the rock, giving them the needed length for the terminal. Jay would have to reangle a lift to bolt it to more of the Tuckerman Chutes/Northway side for that to work there. And lets not forget, the Euros throw up fancy new lifts every year all over the place like they cost $100.00 a piece. Not the same calculus over here. (as in, one Funitel and only one 3S in all of North America).

 

[steamboat1]

The Euros would disagree. http://youtu.be/6UXyO8FgFuI

Nice but they claim a funitel lift can operate in winds up to 100mph because of the double cable. The lift you show is only single cable therefore much more susceptible to wind.

 

[thetrailboss]

There you go. That would be sweet.

 

[BenedictGomez]

This is so friggin' ridiculous that they're going to spend $5 MILLION dollars repairing an inefficient 50 year old lift which is a sub-optimal lift strategy, and that will now be operating at 25% decreased capacity once "fixed" to boot.

For similar money they could operate a combo high-speed quad and very short fixed-grip double, which would infinitely improve skiing (or at least allow me to ski the summit more than once or twice a season).

 

[BenedictGomez]

I guess the next best thing would be to run a snowcat to the top

You honestly think the radical eco-extremists in Vermont are going to allow a snowcat to the top?

The eco-extremists will be organizing to shut that down within 48 hours of Jay Peak announcing the plan.

 

[deadheadskier]

Last I checked they run a Cat operation at Sugarbush without issue.

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Nice but they claim a funitel lift can operate in winds up to 100mph because of the double cable. The lift you show is only single cable therefore much more susceptible to wind.

A 3S gondola = tri-cable