4aprice
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Ding, Ding, ding, ding, We have a winner folks. Vermont found they didn't have the tax base for it, and they have a tiny population, but then again its Vermont and they can feel the Bern.
Alex
Lake Hopatcong, NJ
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Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke
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Ding, Ding, ding, ding, We have a winner folks. Vermont found they didn't have the tax base for it, and they have a tiny population, but then again its Vermont and they can feel the Bern.
Alex
Lake Hopatcong, NJ
tree_skier
New member
Of course to cut costs is simple, but again not politically correct.
5. put a cap on malpractice liability
6. refuse service to none insured or payment up front
and the big one
7. be able to offer coverage a la cart i.e. choose what is covered under your plan or not covered. To have a health plan without psychiatric, drug/alcoholic and gender reassignment coverage would cost a whole lot less then what we are required to have now.
Complete government healthcare would bankrupt America. Not that it really matters I suppose, because we're going bankrupt without government healthcare anyway.
You do these 4 things:
1) Allow insurance companies to operate/compete across state borders
2) Stop aiding & abetting trial lawyers to "milk" the healthcare system
3) Stop subsidizing other nation's healthcare ( a massive cost that goes unmentioned because it's not politically correct)
4) Crack down on Medicare & Medicaid fraud (BILLIONS of dollars stolen EVERY year)
And you'd get a LONG way towards driving down American's healthcare costs. To Dr Jeff's point though, none of these will likely happen, because, well, politicians.[/QUOTE]
5. put a cap on malpractice liability
6. refuse service to none insured or payment up front
and the big one
7. be able to offer coverage a la cart i.e. choose what is covered under your plan or not covered. To have a health plan without psychiatric, drug/alcoholic and gender reassignment coverage would cost a whole lot less then what we are required to have now.
Complete government healthcare would bankrupt America. Not that it really matters I suppose, because we're going bankrupt without government healthcare anyway.
You do these 4 things:
1) Allow insurance companies to operate/compete across state borders
2) Stop aiding & abetting trial lawyers to "milk" the healthcare system
3) Stop subsidizing other nation's healthcare ( a massive cost that goes unmentioned because it's not politically correct)
4) Crack down on Medicare & Medicaid fraud (BILLIONS of dollars stolen EVERY year)
And you'd get a LONG way towards driving down American's healthcare costs. To Dr Jeff's point though, none of these will likely happen, because, well, politicians.[/QUOTE]
5. I think is overblown and has very little to do with our ballooning healthcare costs. For every individual that gets a million for a hangnail, there are 3 that don't see a dime. My grandmother will likely be one of the later. She was getting fitted for a new crown. The dentist screwed up and lost a piece of the mold down her throat. For a good ten minutes they tried to suction out the debris, but did not get all of it. He should have sent her to the emergency room for an x-ray. Sent her home, the debris from her crown perforated her bowel and she's now stuck with a colostomy bag for the rest of her life. I don't know about you, but if I'm stuck wearing a bag of shit on my abdomen the rest of my life due to no fault of my own, I'm going to want some compensation. This has been nearly two years ago and it has yet to go to trial. She's 90 and it's pretty obvious the insurance company is stalling and hope she dies before they have to pay. So who is worse? Her lawyer or the for profit insurance company?
6. Goes against the code of ethics for care providers.
7. Has some merit.
I still go back to my point that you've got plenty of examples of countries running around 11% cost to GDP with high quality public healthcare. What you don't have are private healthcare systems in other countries outperforming those numbers. The arguments against public healthcare are born from political philosophy, not math. I'd take Japan's system over ours in a heartbeat.
6. Goes against the code of ethics for care providers.
7. Has some merit.
I still go back to my point that you've got plenty of examples of countries running around 11% cost to GDP with high quality public healthcare. What you don't have are private healthcare systems in other countries outperforming those numbers. The arguments against public healthcare are born from political philosophy, not math. I'd take Japan's system over ours in a heartbeat.
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Abubob
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How did this become about health care politics? :roll:
LONGBOARDR
Active member
NO snow!
But we did get about 2 inches of marble size hail yesterday here in Jay.
Never too early to start laying down a base.
tree_skier
New member
code of ethics go back to forcing me to pay for someone else. it is typical government robbery. To say we don't have socialized healthcare is a farce. Everyone gets healthcare and some of us have to pay for it. As an analogy if my friend Q wants some extra cash and the State of Vomit decides he should get some and to do so they will put a carbon tax of 80% on middle aged white male skiers, it's all good. But if i want some extra cash and decide to take Mr. Q's carbon guzzling ride I go to jail?
Abubob
Well-known member
Always a good sign.
Is it possible to hijack this thread by talking about global warming and the coming ice age?
Code of Ethics isn't some sort of government forced program/robbery. It's the very foundation for why people go into the healthcare profession. You cannot refuse to treat the afflicted for any reason. Setting up some sort of system whereby clinicians can refuse to treat a patient based upon their financial resources is a dangerous slippery slope to head down. It suggests that receiving healthcare is a privilege. It should not be and to some degree in our privatized system, it already is.
tree_skier
New member
Try going to another country. In Canada if you are not a citizen pay upfront. Even at the Mount Snow medical center, if you want treatment there either have the insurance through Mount Snow or get your credit card out.
Did not realize we were talking about expectation of care during international travel.
In the case of Mt. Snow, I'm sure there are limits to refusal. If someone comes into the clinic and they refuse to stabilize a patient because of no insurance or ability to pay, they would be breaking the law.
tree_skier
New member
a bad law doesn't make things right. Being a resident of the Socialist Republic of Vermont I hear all the time on how great the Canadian medical system is, however if you are not a citizen you don't get "free" healthcare, yet here you get free healthcare.
On Mount Snow, i have some experience. We used to have insurance through the mountain so back when it was a full time year round clinic we used it a lot. Daughter broke her leg, she was in base first aid, we were given 3 options. 1 Ambulance her to either BMH or Bennington, 2 take her our self, 3 go into the clinic and pay before being seen (oh you have mount snow insurance, you can go in no charge to you). We chose 3 x-rays showed a tib fib fracture with the ends about 2 inches apart. A long expensive recovery as BMH otho didn't eat the copays/deductibles like mount snow did
On Mount Snow, i have some experience. We used to have insurance through the mountain so back when it was a full time year round clinic we used it a lot. Daughter broke her leg, she was in base first aid, we were given 3 options. 1 Ambulance her to either BMH or Bennington, 2 take her our self, 3 go into the clinic and pay before being seen (oh you have mount snow insurance, you can go in no charge to you). We chose 3 x-rays showed a tib fib fracture with the ends about 2 inches apart. A long expensive recovery as BMH otho didn't eat the copays/deductibles like mount snow did
SIKSKIER
New member
Can we debate healthcare on its on thread please?
BenedictGomez
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Surely from people who aren't Canadians. I know plenty of Canadians, it's really no great shakes up there. They wait, sometimes months, for procedures that are literally considered "routine" here in America. And wealthy Canucks, especially those in southern Canada, often simply come to America and pay for healthcare rather than getting their "free" Canadian healthcare. Then there's the issue of Canadian "doctor flight", which is another story altogether regarding how Canada has been losing some of its' best and brightest.
steamboat1
New member
Are Stenger or Quiros sick or something?
dlague
Active member
I forgot what this thread was about!
56fish
New member
+ a zillion
steamboat1
New member
BenedictGomez
Well-known member
I wouldn't expect any malfeasance on this one.
A) He came into the game in the very late innings.
B) Unlike Brent Raymond, he has a background that suggests he's capable of doing the job he was hired for.
abc
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On PBS news tonight. Fed's calling it "largest EB-5 fraud"
mbedle
Well-known member
Apparently Peak Resorts liked his background so much they hired him!!!!
